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William Peter Blatty's The Exorcist III
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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Per the rules, the title is 'The Exorcist III'. 
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorNadja
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Now contrary to James apparent belief, I have not revealed any position on this title.

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ROFLMAO, I am surprised it took this long. So much for the quotation marks theory. I would list it WPB's The Exorcist III. That is consistent with the Rules.

Either way, I agree. What no-one has mentioned yet is that every part of the title has a different font size. "The" is small, "WPB" is a little larger, the "III" is larger still and "Exorcist" is largest of all. The onscreen title is exactly the same as that on the cover, by the by. A quick glance through my collection shows that pretty much every title with an uncontested possessive on the cover has that possessive in a smaller font. I know that the quotation marks rule cannot be applied here, and that the font size distinction in the rules, but it's not presented as absolute and it seems to me that the different font sizes throughout the title (indeed, the posessive is not even the smallest part) render this one of the aforementioned exceptional situations.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Nadja:

I beg to differ. There is a difference between presenting an argument and taking a position, I have not taken a position, nor will, I know the answer already. I am presenting argument because the change that James and others supported was fundamentally flwed on its face since it was not based upon data, but simply that users got their preference acknowledged, and ANYTIME that happens it will ultimately cause problems somewhere, also as i recall they didn't seem to be able to figure out to deal with possessives in the sort., but that's a different issue.

Don't try and tell me what i did, I KNOW what I did. You are telling what YOU think I did.

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I just checked, Nadja, you are not inside my head, though you are as usual, quite insulting.

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No, Skip, I'm not in your head. Nor am I insulting you. Where I am is on the public forums (perhaps that's where you should realise YOU are, too), reading utterly non-ambiguous comments such as "I would list it WPB's The Exorcist III". If you don't want to be misunderstood, perhaps you should say what you actually mean. And THAT'S not an insult either, it's genuine advice.
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I would list it WPB's The Exorcist III. That is consistent with the Rules.


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Now contrary to James apparent belief, I have not revealed any position on this title. Nor do i intend, i took exception to James misinterpretation of the Rule to fit his position.


What? 

Anyway, contrary to what you believe, and I can only speak for myself, but this has nothing to do with personal preference.  I could care less if it's "The Exorcist III" or "William Peter Blatty's The Exorcist III" in the database.  I'm just following the rules that state to use font size as the determining factor in this particular case.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Now that it matters, but the credit block for the original Exorcist has quotes around the entire title (including the possessive) so they obviously intended that there.  So why would they leave out the quotes and put an extra wide space between his name and the title if they intended the same thing here?
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I'd say the white horizontal line below William Peter Blatty's name seperates the possessive from the Title...thus "The Exorcist III" is the title .
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I would list it WPB's The Exorcist III. That is consistent with the Rules.


Quoting skipnet50:
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Now contrary to James apparent belief, I have not revealed any position on this title. Nor do i intend, i took exception to James misinterpretation of the Rule to fit his position.


What? 

Anyway, contrary to what you believe, and I can only speak for myself, but this has nothing to do with personal preference.  I could care less if it's "The Exorcist III" or "William Peter Blatty's The Exorcist III" in the database.  I'm just following the rules that state to use font size as the determining factor in this particular case.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Now that it matters, but the credit block for the original Exorcist has quotes around the entire title (including the possessive) so they obviously intended that there.  So why would they leave out the quotes and put an extra wide space between his name and the title if they intended the same thing here?

Vega:

You too are missing the point. This is becoming way too amusing.

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This is becoming way too amusing.


I'll say. 
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OK. If you believe that this situation, due to the lack of quotes and the varied fonts, still slips through both stages of the rule into ambiguity, one still needs to show that the possessive is "verifiably part of the title." The rule says "Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title."

So if we have to go outside the areas mentioned specifically in the rules (front cover, credit block), there are:

Spine: The Exorcist III
Overview: William Peter Blatty writes and directs The Exorcist III
Disc Menu: The Exorcist III

The above 3 examples support the other evidence (font size difference, space between possessive and title in the credit block) that exclude the possessive. There is no evidence to show that the possessive is "verifiably" part of the title.

If the possessive is verifiably part of the title, did they decide to list a partial title in those other places? I think not.
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can anyone think of examples where a possessive that is definitely part of the title is missing from the spine?  i'm sure there probably are, but all the possessives that are part of a title that i could think of in my collection are also on the spine.  IMO it could be a good indicator is these more ambiguous situations.
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The back cover has an extra wide space between the possessive and the title, which I believe bolsters the argument to exclude the possessive, but that's not covered in the rules unfortunately.


IMO that extra space sets the the possessive apart from the title in the exact same manner that quotation marks would.  If it were truly part of the title, there would not be an extra space.
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Per the rules, the title is 'The Exorcist III'. 

What else? 
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Now that it matters, but the credit block for the original Exorcist has quotes around the entire title (including the possessive) so they obviously intended that there.  So why would they leave out the quotes and put an extra wide space between his name and the title if they intended the same thing here?

Interesting, my copy of the Exorcist only has the quotes round the title, not the possessive.
But back to the title under discussion: I've given it a lot of thought (nowt on the telly) and I've eventually come to the opinion that the title is "Exorcist III" mainly because of the font size rule and the fact that I've been unable to find any official source that uses the possessive as part of the title. Even Morgan Creek's website just calls it Exorcist III.
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Now that it matters, but the credit block for the original Exorcist has quotes around the entire title (including the possessive) so they obviously intended that there.  So why would they leave out the quotes and put an extra wide space between his name and the title if they intended the same thing here?

Interesting, my copy of the Exorcist only has the quotes round the title, not the possessive.


Wow, my bad.  I have no idea what I was thinking when I typed that.  I had checked it and found that there were quotes only around the title and not the name.  But somehow between the time I did that, got interrupted by the wife, and then sat back down to type I got my wires crossed about what I had seen.    Either way, it didn't really have anything to do with the discussion at hand.
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