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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | That is why I said to check the Birth Year Thread But it is up to you if you want to let the no votes stand. That is always an option. But for the record... you see it in so many profiles locally because it is attached to the actor file... not to the individual files locally. So it will show in every profile you have with that person. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | In my mind, and this is a failing within Profiler, the problem is that once a BY has been accepted, none of the profiles on the online are updated to reflect the change.
As far as I'm concerned, if a BY pops up in a profile update that wasn't there before, this is a good thing, because it's fixing something Invelos has acknowledged as a problem. The only issue is, there's a pretty good chance I don't know what the fix was for. I don't have every profile in the online, so how am I to say why a BY was accepted? And, nothing personal here, but that BY thread is cumbersome at best to go through trying to find the rational that started the whole thing. If this is truly the amount of work required in order to help others with my efforts, I'm sorry folks but I'm just not gonna bother. I'm not trying to be a jerk about this, but I do this for fun and mostly for my own needs. If others can profit by it, that's great, but I'm not going tearing through forum posts to clean up a flaw in Invelos' program. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 950 |
| Posted: | | | | For me, it's all about documentation. If you're adding something to a profile that wasn't there before, you have to say where it came from. So if a by is being added, it's up to the contributor to make sure the information is correct and state the documentation that THAT particular "George Jones" has the right BY.
So if you're uploading a BY to a profile that doesn't currently have one but do no research to make sure that it's the right one, you may easily be uploading wrong information to the online database. It's easy enough to see if you are adding one, like Pete said, it's highlighted when it's being added. And it's easy enough to remove from your database if you don't want to research it. I don't think anyone is requiring that you add BY's, but if you are going ahead and submitting it...documentation is needed.
I think we can all agree, there could be a better way for Profiler to handle this, but this is what we have to work with. | | | Lori |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: That is why I said to check the Birth Year Thread All 74 pages of it? Thanks, but without a proper search function I draw the line there. Contributors should not be dependent on what happens in the forums in the first place. The rules and the contribution system should do the job. In this case, Invelos should remove unwanted BYs from the online, so that the warning box appears if they are re-added. That does not even require a change to the system. Even simpler, send out a message that unneeded BYs are not required, but also not forbidden, as long as they are correct. | | | Hans |
| Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,805 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: That is why I said to check the Birth Year Thread All 74 pages of it? Or the first three posts... where every BY in the thread (almost anyways, it's always a work in progress as more are added) is listed in easy to find alphabetical order. It's not as dramatic as all that. Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
In this case, Invelos should remove unwanted BYs from the online, so that the warning box appears if they are re-added. That does not even require a change to the system. In this case, I complete 100% agree. There's even a handy dandy post in that same BY thread (fourth post I do believe) that has an ever growing list of invalid birth years (such as Robert De Niro, Samuel L. Jackson, Kathy Bates etc. etc.) that Invelos could use (if they could get off their fairly lazy a$$es when it comes to this matter) to removed the unwanted and unneeded birth years from the online. We can dream, can't we? Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: Even simpler, send out a message that unneeded BYs are not required, but also not forbidden, as long as they are correct. No thanks. Some may not mind them, but I don't want a thousand birth years cluttering my local. It's a huge pain in the a$$ as it is when a single birth year comes through a contribution that I don't have in my local now. I have to either accept it or decline the update because there's no inbetween, and if it's one I don't need/want, I have to remove it (because there's no option to not receive it, which there should be), and if I do keep it, I have to go through every single credit to make sure it properly applies and that it's the same person (because it doesn't distinguish between the correct person it's supposed to be added to and the incorrect person... and then it's completely useless as now I'll just have a birth year attached to the wrong person anyway). Having tons of unneeded birth years come through my local will cause just as much work (if not more because the birth year actually COULD be needed, but because it was never distinguised if it was needed because they're not forbidden, no one realizes it's now attached to incorrect names and possible a whole whack load of incorrect profiles) and I'd still have to research every single one to make sure they're actually correct, because as we've seen from this thread, mistakes happen, and the really really last thing I want to have to do is a ton of research of birth years to make sure they're correct and to correct incorrect ones. It's not my idea of a fun time. So I guess I could use this post to also answer the initial question of why some people get so excited about birth years. If I see an incorrect birth year, or an unneeded/invalid birth year get submitted, I will vote no every single time. And honestly, they're not all that entirely hard to spot in your contribution. If you haven't changed anything in your cast or crew fields, and the field comes up for submission with the little check box, it's an indication something has changed. And if you're submitting cast or crew anyway, how hard is it to briefly scan the field to see if there's any changes that you didn't make yourself? I do it for every single contribution. The name will be highlighted and if you see that and see you didn't add the BY yourself, then just remove it and resubmit. It's surprisingly painless and quick to do. | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Thanks for finally answering the initial question!
Seems like a good point to wrap it up. But as for your final point re worrying about unneeded BYs, I do just the opposite, I ignore them locally. | | | Hans | | | Last edited: by Staid S Barr |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: That is why I said to check the Birth Year Thread All 74 pages of it? .... What's working much better: Do a google search with " name site:invelos.com ". This also gives you results which may not yet be added in the Overview. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote: Quoting Staid S Barr:
Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: That is why I said to check the Birth Year Thread All 74 pages of it? .... What's working much better: Do a google search with " name site:invelos.com ". This also gives you results which may not yet be added in the Overview. I do the same but slightly different. Let's say I am searching for the BY for Tom Jones. I enter the following into the google search bar. "Tom Jones" Invelos 9 out of 10 times if there is a BY the results will show that Official Birth Year thread. It also will sometimes comes up with results for www.dvdprofiler too. Sometimes it'll take you to the specific page on dvdprofiler, let's say page 40. So I go back to the invelos site and go to the Birth Year thread and go to page 40 to verify the data given by the search result and if it's accurate I note the link for page 40 in my notes. If the Birth Year doesn't come up as a search result on google then I know it hasn't been contributed yet so either it's invalid or a brand new one that I need to research further. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,414 |
| Posted: | | | | I haven't contributed much since last spring but I do recall that if you remove the BY from someone who shouldn't have it (Robert de Niro, Bruce Willis) and contribute a profile with that person, Profiler will slap it on anyway, and not show that as a change. Very annoying. I don't know if that has been fixed since. | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote: if you remove the BY from someone who shouldn't have it (Robert de Niro, Bruce Willis) and contribute a profile with that person, Profiler will slap it on anyway No it won't. It doesn't do that now, and it didn't do that before. Mind you: the key phrase in your statement is, indeed, the "if you remove the BY" first. That you'll have to do, and you may have to do it a thousand times (that may very well be the number of times I've had to remove the constantly returning Bruce Willis BY), but when you remove it and then contribute, DVD Profiler will not "slap it on anyway". But if, between the moment you've removed it and the moment you're contributing, you've downloaded a profile update with that same person in it, then chances are that that got the BY reinstated in your database, prompting the need to remove it again. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Tim is right... I have always had the same experience as he described. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: But for the record... you see it in so many profiles locally because it is attached to the actor file... not to the individual files locally. So it will show in every profile you have with that person. I agree with the addict and his previous posts. | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 599 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
It starts with a cage containing five monkeys.
Inside the cage hangs a banana on a string with a set of stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the banana. As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all of the other monkeys with cold water. After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with the same result all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.
Now, put away the cold water. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his surprise and horror, all of the other monkeys attack him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.
Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm! Likewise, replace a third original monkey with a new one, then a fourth, then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is attacked. Most of the monkeys that are beating him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.
After replacing all the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys have ever been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs to try for the banana. Why not? Because as far as they know that's the way it's always been done around here. This has to be the post of the year! Never has a post on this forum been so truthful. It doesn't surprise me that the usual suspects ignored it. Greenie for you Grendell! |
| Registered: March 10, 2007 | Posts: 4,282 |
| Posted: | | | | If the checkbox does not appear for the birth year, documentation of the year is not required. | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote: If the checkbox does not appear for the birth year, documentation of the year is not required. Is that apparent to the voters when they are evaluating the contribution? | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 10, 2007 | Posts: 4,282 |
| Posted: | | | | It is highlighted for the Invelos evaluators, but not for the voters. The documentation check is done by the evaluators - the voters are really there to check accuracy against their data. But possibly this is something we should add for them too. | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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