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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 465 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote: How you handle your collection locally I could care less. We are discussing the main DB and how the parent profiles should be handled. Well Tracer, of course I meant, I'm changing the profiles for DVDs in my collection accordingly in the online database. | | | Michael |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 742 |
| Posted: | | | | Oh my, I guess I'll get quoted with my erronous comment a lot more in this thread... darn, but I tried to set it right earlier...
Ok, to elaborate this a little further, and to make it clearer why my earlier post is, indeed, wrong:
First, let's hypothetically replace the case type term "Box set" with "Slip case" (something I've advocated for more than a year now).
Now take a look at, for example, the Alien Quadrilogy Box Set:
It's a Box Set profile, because it contains more than one movie.
Now for the case type:
The parent profile, i. e. the profile considering only the box hosting the movies, is the slip case or sleeve box. It's not a digipack. That is because there are digipacks out there (see above posts by various users) that do not have an outer slip case / sleeve. So, the Alien Quadrilogy box is a digipack + sleeve (although the most common packaging set up for digipacks, obviously not the only one).
So, the parent profile has a case type of slip case.
The children undoubtedly are in a digipack, regardless of any kind of outer sleeve.
Removing the hypothesis from the beginning, slipcase translates back to box set, which is why these profiles have the case type "Box Set" for the parent, and "Digipack" for the children.
I hope this post makes any sense at all.
And, btw., please: replace the case type "Box Set" with "Slip Case" or "Sleeve", whatever is better in the opinion of whom-it-may-concern. | | | Lutz |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 465 |
| Posted: | | | | I full heartedly support replacing "Box Set" with "Slip Case" in the list of packaging types ! | | | Michael |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting garmonbozia: Quote: Quoting Darxon:
Quote: According to the Case type thread, it's a digipack if I'm not completely mistaken.
BTW, most digipacks do have an outer sleeve cover, it just wouldnt do to have it flop open all the time....
I completely agree. Alien Quadrilogy is a single digipak, therefore case type should be digipak. A box set needs to be more than one (keepcase or digipak) inside an outer box. otherwise, why not just call a 6-disc keepcase a box set as well?
In order for for the case type for digipaks to be a "boxset", IMO, it needs to be something like Criterion's Eric Rohmer set where there are six single digipaks inside an outer box.
For those saying that anything in a slipcase = boxset, aren't 99.9% of all digipak cases come in a slipcase? even the single film ones, that only have two discs? under that logic these would also be boxsets. we might as well get rid of "digipak" as a case type then. One digipak (regardless of the length) should not be a "box set" case type. what about dvds like "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls" that is a keepcase inside a slipcase like digipaks usually have.....is that a box set too because it has a slipcase?
I don't think it is the presence of a slipcase that makes the packaging a "box set".....it's the fact that there are more than one cases (digipak or keepcase) inside that slipcase. Its really, really, simple. The method of securing the discs is irrelevant, whether its keepcase, snapper, or digipack. Boxset refers to the content, not the case type. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: Its really, really, simple. The method of securing the discs is irrelevant, whether its keepcase, snapper, or digipack. Boxset refers to the content, not the case type. Sorry, but what is being discussed here is the case type "box set". People are debating whether a case is only classed as a "box set" if it has other, separate, case types inside it. This has nothing to do with the profile type of "box set". My twopenneth - in my opinion, for Alien Quad, the boxset contains the digipack, it's not a digipack itself, so should have a case type of "box set". Edit: I think I see what you mean now, are you saying that all boxsets should have a case type of "box set"? | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 742 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: Its really, really, simple. The method of securing the discs is irrelevant, whether its keepcase, snapper, or digipack. Boxset refers to the content, not the case type. Unfortunately, you're mistaken, since DVDP uses the name "Box Set" as a description for content (several movies in one package) and case type (take a look at the drop down menu). According to the Case Type forum thread, a slipcase represents the case type Box Set used in said drop down menu. I agree that the term "box set" should only be used to describe the content, not the case type. That's why I keep on advocating a change of terms in the case type drop down menu, Box Set -> Slipcase. Changing that entry would end this debate for good. | | | Lutz |
| | Dan W | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 980 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: This is why "Boxset" as a case type needs to go away.
It is a slipcase, whether it contains keepcases or digipaks!
It would certainly help explain things to new users, even if it was just renamed to "slipcase". It can be very confusing having two "boxset" options in a profile. It has been explained in as simple a manner as can be. Look HereThis is also linked in the rules. | | | Dan |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote: It has been explained in as simple a manner as can be.
Look Here
This is also linked in the rules. Actually, that only covers half the story. No one has been debating the use of boxset as a case type when the slipcase contains keep cases. The boxset under discussion contains a fold-out digipack, and some people are arguing that that does not fall under the same remit. It might help if we knew what was contained in the Kill Bill slipcase. Was it a digipack or keep cases? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Quoting Rifter:
Quote: Its really, really, simple. The method of securing the discs is irrelevant, whether its keepcase, snapper, or digipack. Boxset refers to the content, not the case type.
Sorry, but what is being discussed here is the case type "box set". People are debating whether a case is only classed as a "box set" if it has other, separate, case types inside it. This has nothing to do with the profile type of "box set".
My twopenneth - in my opinion, for Alien Quad, the boxset contains the digipack, it's not a digipack itself, so should have a case type of "box set".
Edit: I think I see what you mean now, are you saying that all boxsets should have a case type of "box set"? No, not at all. Come on, Northb., this isn't that hard. A boxset is a collection of discs containing several movies or a number of TV episodes, or some kind of related collection, stored in keep cases, or digipack, or envelopes, etc. The outer container that gathers all these discs together is a slipcase type, or a custom ape head, a saddlebag, etc. It is called a boxset, which is actually short for "boxed set" and most commonly sold in an open ended slipcover that contains all the discs in their individual cases/packs/wrappers, etc. And as others, and I, have said we need to eliminate the use of "boxset" as a case type, because it is not. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | You're preaching to the converted here, Rifter. I've already said I'd prefer it called a slipcase and I've already said that the case type for the parent profile of a release like Alien Quad should be slipcase/boxset. It's the other guys who want it described as a digipack you should be trying to persuade! |
| | Dan W | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 980 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Quoting Dan W:
Quote: It has been explained in as simple a manner as can be.
Look Here
This is also linked in the rules.
Actually, that only covers half the story. No one has been debating the use of boxset as a case type when the slipcase contains keep cases. The boxset under discussion contains a fold-out digipack, and some people are arguing that that does not fall under the same remit. It might help if we knew what was contained in the Kill Bill slipcase. Was it a digipack or keep cases? You seem to be missing the point. Each case is separate when it is a set. Regardless of the contents of the set (multiple titles) the set profile takes the case type of the cover. The individual profiles for the movies in the set take the case type of the case it is in. So, the Kill Bill set would be a "Box Set (Slip Cover)" and the films inside would be whatever they are in. If it is a Digipak then you click Digipak. If it's a Keep Case you click Keep Case. | | | Dan |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | And you seem to be missing my point - I agree!
But what I'm saying, and what this topic was about was because the example in the case type thread only shows a box set with keep cases inside it, other people believe that that is the only type that gets the case type! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | The case type thread probably could use another than just the Kill Bill slip cover as an example. Possilbly one like the Alien Quad package.
Plus the Kill Bill is a bad example if users a fixated on what the slip case contains, that was a free slip case Best Buy was giving away with the purchase of Kill Bill Vol. 2. and never was packaged with either movie. Came flat and you had to fold it out to use it. | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 742 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 52 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: Quoting garmonbozia:
Quote: Quoting Darxon:
Quote: According to the Case type thread, it's a digipack if I'm not completely mistaken.
BTW, most digipacks do have an outer sleeve cover, it just wouldnt do to have it flop open all the time....
I completely agree. Alien Quadrilogy is a single digipak, therefore case type should be digipak. A box set needs to be more than one (keepcase or digipak) inside an outer box. otherwise, why not just call a 6-disc keepcase a box set as well?
In order for for the case type for digipaks to be a "boxset", IMO, it needs to be something like Criterion's Eric Rohmer set where there are six single digipaks inside an outer box.
For those saying that anything in a slipcase = boxset, aren't 99.9% of all digipak cases come in a slipcase? even the single film ones, that only have two discs? under that logic these would also be boxsets. we might as well get rid of "digipak" as a case type then. One digipak (regardless of the length) should not be a "box set" case type. what about dvds like "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls" that is a keepcase inside a slipcase like digipaks usually have.....is that a box set too because it has a slipcase?
I don't think it is the presence of a slipcase that makes the packaging a "box set".....it's the fact that there are more than one cases (digipak or keepcase) inside that slipcase.
Its really, really, simple. The method of securing the discs is irrelevant, whether its keepcase, snapper, or digipack. Boxset refers to the content, not the case type. Then it should not be listed under case type, should it? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Dan W designed the case type thread in conjunction with Ken and Jesse, and a little help from me, and it was made a part of the RULES. So if Dan says Alienb Quad is a Digipack which it is, then 'nuff said debate over.
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