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Series vs Seasons and the 'Multiple Complete TV' Rule
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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Do the megabox as the master, then do a child profile for each disc, and forget about the individual season boxes for now.  When Ken bestows the ability to add a season boxset to a megaset master profile all you have to do is add six, or eight, or ten secondary master profiles for the individual season boxes.  You still can't do grandchildren, but at least the data is in manageable chunks ready for that level when it comes.


If this is what you wish to propose, fine.  Go to the appropriate forum and propose it!

Or start a vote.

For now, the Rules tell us ow to do a "megaset" TV series.


Ah, the Rules Police are alive and well.  Why don't you just shut up, Hal?


True to form, John

But, no, I don't think so.
Hal
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I did a collection last night (Black Adder Complete Set).  There are 4 seasons (4 UK series) and some specials.  It is contained in a single digipack (one UPC).  Each season is on a single disc, 6 episodes per disk/season.  There is no individual packaging for each season.  There were exising cast and crew credits on the child disk profiles, and I transfered them to the parent (the only profile with a UPC).

At this point, 5 of 13  votes are "NO," all citing that box set rules must apply - no cast or crew credits.  I think it is pretty clear that the rules as they stand make my contribution correct, and the voters are merely voting their preference.  I don't claim that the rules shouldn't be what they are calling for, but that does not justify a NO vote with the rules as written.  Be the judge:

http://www.invelos.com/MyProfiler.aspx?display=contributions&task=votes&id=295675

Or am I out to lunch?  As I said, I don't necessarily love the seperate TV series contribution treatment.  But I can only follow the rules as they stand right now.
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What I don't understand is why these people find the need to deprive those of us who want only the parent profile from having any info and forcing us to use child profiles. If you are only using the parent then you need that info to be in there. If you are using the child profiles then what difference does it make what is in the parent? And if you need it to be empty then delete everything in there. It's much easier to delete something then it is for me to enter cast and crew and all that other stuff for every parent profile of a TV series that doesn't have the data already there.
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And when something says CAN BE, does it mean MUST BE?

So what does a "complete series" mean anyway?
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Dano, let your contribution run its course if it is declined resubmit again pointing out the rule in your contribution notes and citing those voting no because of their personal preference is against the rules.  Like I mentioned in a previous post a No vote doesn't mean the screener won't approve the contribution.
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What I don't understand is why these people find the need to deprive those of us who want only the parent profile from having any info and forcing us to use child profiles. If you are only using the parent then you need that info to be in there. If you are using the child profiles then what difference does it make what is in the parent? And if you need it to be empty then delete everything in there. It's much easier to delete something then it is for me to enter cast and crew and all that other stuff for every parent profile of a TV series that doesn't have the data already there.


Why should we have to do all your work for you?  If you want all that stuff in the parent, then put it in there yourself - in other words, do the work.

I don't have a problem with that if that's what you want in YOUR local, but it's a two way street.
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What I don't understand is why these people find the need to deprive those of us who want only the parent profile from having any info and forcing us to use child profiles. If you are only using the parent then you need that info to be in there. If you are using the child profiles then what difference does it make what is in the parent? And if you need it to be empty then delete everything in there. It's much easier to delete something then it is for me to enter cast and crew and all that other stuff for every parent profile of a TV series that doesn't have the data already there.


Why should we have to do all your work for you?  If you want all that stuff in the parent, then put it in there yourself - in other words, do the work.

I don't have a problem with that if that's what you want in YOUR local, but it's a two way street.


You really need to pay attention.  The person he was responding to DID do the work.  People are voting 'no' because they don't want that information in the parent.
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So what does a "complete series" mean anyway?

A lot of times now after all the yearly sets of a TV series come out, they are repackaged (or newly packjaged) as a Series Set. Recently M*A*S*H came out with a complete set of all the eipsodes. Alias has done it, Friends, Buffy, and soon Star Trek:TNG and MacGyver.

These sets contain every episode of the series.
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What I don't understand is why these people find the need to deprive those of us who want only the parent profile from having any info and forcing us to use child profiles. If you are only using the parent then you need that info to be in there. If you are using the child profiles then what difference does it make what is in the parent? And if you need it to be empty then delete everything in there. It's much easier to delete something then it is for me to enter cast and crew and all that other stuff for every parent profile of a TV series that doesn't have the data already there.


Why should we have to do all your work for you?  If you want all that stuff in the parent, then put it in there yourself - in other words, do the work.

I don't have a problem with that if that's what you want in YOUR local, but it's a two way street.



Not a two way street at all...like I already said it's much simpler to delete stuff than it is to add stuff. Next...how am I to get updates for my tv show profiles if the parent profile has no data being put into it? All the updates will be done to the child profiles. I guess I should just periodically check each and every one to see if something has changed. That really is not feasible. If you wanna use child profiles go ahead...knock yourself out...I have no interest in stopping you...and I certainly don't wanna get in the way of you enjoying the program. Why are you then trying to prevent me from using only the parent? Don't be so selfish. If there is data in the parent it doesn't affect you in any way.

And your comment about doing the work myself is out in left field since the whole point of this program is to minimize the amount of work each one of us does by downloading contributions others make.
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So what does a "complete series" mean anyway?

A lot of times now after all the yearly sets of a TV series come out, they are repackaged (or newly packjaged) as a Series Set. Recently M*A*S*H came out with a complete set of all the eipsodes. Alias has done it, Friends, Buffy, and soon Star Trek:TNG and MacGyver.

These sets contain every episode of the series.

I completely agree, and that is what makes my contribution correct as the rules are written today.

The No voters are putting their own spin on the meaning of complete series to justify voting their preference instead of the rules.  They are wrong.
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Dano, let your contribution run its course if it is declined resubmit again pointing out the rule in your contribution notes and citing those voting no because of their personal preference is against the rules.


I take personal exception to the inference I am voting purely on my preferences. If the Rules didn't have that Note in I would have happily voted Yes (even if I personally disagreed).

I am voting NO because that is what I understand the Rules to mean, NOT because I happen to prefer that method.
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Do you also understand the difference between the term 'may' and 'must' or 'has to'? A rule that says you may use boxsets isn't stating you must use them in every case. Come on man....surely you can see that.
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Do you also understand the difference between the term 'may' and 'must' or 'has to'? A rule that says you may use boxsets isn't stating you must use them in every case. Come on man....surely you can see that.


... so if it is accepted and then I clear out the data and re-contribute next week you will vote "Yes" because I argue it says May so it's within the Rules?

I fully agree the 'may' shouldn't be there but if you interpret it as you have done then there is no point in the Note at all; since the Note is inthe Rules and therefore must have a reason for being there I can only infer that this means the 'may' is there to cover rare occasions when child profiles are not possible (such as the Fawlty Towers you PMd me about where 2 series are spread over 3 discs) NOT to be interpretted as "please ignore this Rule if you want to"
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Do you also understand the difference between the term 'may' and 'must' or 'has to'? A rule that says you may use boxsets isn't stating you must use them in every case. Come on man....surely you can see that.


Talk about splitting hairs.  Sounds like lawyer-speak to me.  The intent is clear that the boxset rules should be used.
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Do you also understand the difference between the term 'may' and 'must' or 'has to'? A rule that says you may use boxsets isn't stating you must use them in every case. Come on man....surely you can see that.


... so if it is accepted and then I clear out the data and re-contribute next week you will vote "Yes" because I argue it says May so it's within the Rules?

I fully agree the 'may' shouldn't be there but if you interpret it as you have done then there is no point in the Note at all; since the Note is inthe Rules and therefore must have a reason for being there I can only infer that this means the 'may' is there to cover rare occasions when child profiles are not possible (such as the Fawlty Towers you PMd me about where 2 series are spread over 3 discs) NOT to be interpretted as "please ignore this Rule if you want to"


What benefit do you get from the data not being in the online database? The benefit to me of the data being there and people being able to contribute to it is I get updates for the parent profile I am using. And I would vote 'no' simply because I think it would be asinine for you to remove data from the database that is useful to many users.
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Talk about splitting hairs.  Sounds like lawyer-speak to me.  The intent is clear that the boxset rules should be used.



Well now we're getting somewhere...if you wrote the rules then why don't you explain this to the rest of us and get some of your crew to do so as well. I brought this issue up weeks ago and nobody shed any light on this. What exactly did you guys mean when you wrote that? That's all we wanna know....let's settle this so it doesn't have to last another 50 pages like threads usually do around here. If you didn't write the rules then forget what I said.

And the intent isn't clear...if it was we wouldn't be having this discussion...voltaire wouldn't have started this poll and I wouldn't have started the thread I did weeks ago where I got no answers whatsoever.
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