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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorThe Movieman
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I'll still contribute ratings, but not ones with both the rated and unrated versions (or contribute the change per rules), in which I have many in my collection and with the space capacity on Blu-rays could be more prominent.

I think a solution could be that in editing a profile, beneath the rating (where the official rating and rating details be provided) could be a checkbox indicating there is also an unrated version on the disc, then on the profile itself, next to the rating it would state NR.
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As the rule is now...


I'm certainly open to revisiting this - perhaps a poll?


From the looks of this thread so far, I think a poll would be a good idea.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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I will, however, abide by the rule...actually I won't as I will just not contribute ratings anymore. 


As I understand the issue, it is a problem only for titles which include both a rated and unrated version on the same disc.  A random sampling reveals that this occurs in less than 1% of entries.  However, if you're saying you wont contribute ratings anymore, am I not understanding the issue?

Whenever possible, I purchase the 'Unrated/Extended/Director's Cut/Etc.' version of the film.  In most of those cases, the rated version is included in the release.  For those profiles, I will no longer contribute ratings.  I guess I could add the rating, plus the details, contribute then remove them, but I am not going to.  I already do that for cast (I don't like mine in alpha or order of appearance), TV Series parent profiles (I prefer them to be empty) and TV Series overviews (I like different formating), so am not going to add another field to the 'have to edit twice for contribution purposes' list.

Regular profiles, with just the rated version, those I will continue to submit ratings for.
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I still don't really get how your rating systems work.
In Germany the whole DVD gets the rating of the content with the highest rating.
This may result in the strange: Main Feature FSK-0 (suitable for all audiences) and a Trailer with FSK-18 (not allowed for people under 18) -> the whole DVD having an FSK-18 (This is sometimes even used for merchandising purposes).
Since this is DVD-Profiler and not Movie-Profiler (as quite often stated), we would duly enter the FSK-18 for the DVD, all else would lead to endless discussions on sources.
So if for some incomprehensible reasons your rating organization seems to think that R is a higher rating than NR, so be it. We do not interpret data, we enter it.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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I still don't really get how your rating systems work.
In Germany the whole DVD gets the rating of the content with the highest rating.
This may result in the strange: Main Feature FSK-0 (suitable for all audiences) and a Trailer with FSK-18 (not allowed for people under 18) -> the whole DVD having an FSK-18 (This is sometimes even used for merchandising purposes).
Since this is DVD-Profiler and not Movie-Profiler (as quite often stated), we would duly enter the FSK-18 for the DVD, all else would lead to endless discussions on sources.
So if for some incomprehensible reasons your rating organization seems to think that R is a higher rating than NR, so be it. We do not interpret data, we enter it.

Here, we don't rate DVDs, we rate the main feature.  That rating is what appears on the case.  Usually, any trailer that appears on the disc, will be for a film of equal or lesser rating.  You won't usually see a trailer for an R rated film on a PG release.  In addition, our system does not think that R is a higher rating than NR.  NR simply means it was not rated.  If a rated version is included in an unrated release, that rating is included for informational purposes.

My stance is, and always has been, that the profile should reflect the item purchased.  So if I buy the 'Unrated Extended Edition', all the data in the profile should match the unrated extended version that is on the disc.  Rating, runtime, audio, video, everything should match what was purchased.  Nothing, and I mean nothing, should match the bonus version that was included.  JMHO.
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Agreed
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That would be a third option in the poll, and one that may make the most sense.  There are likely some films out there that have "also includes unrated version" or similar, in which case the bonus would be the NR version.  On the rest, the NR would likely be the main version.
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I don't think we worry about that aspect, Ken. We simply go with the HIGHEST rating, or most limiting if you will, whatever you want to call it. NR being the highest rating, we had something that WORKED and i saw very little if any concern over it, but now you changed it for some reason and it makes no sense. You know the old saw...If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It weren't broke, you tried to fix it and now it is broke.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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That would be a third option in the poll, and one that may make the most sense.  There are likely some films out there that have "also includes unrated version" or similar, in which case the bonus would be the NR version.  On the rest, the NR would likely be the main version.

While I won't say it doesn't happen, I don't think I have ever seen an "also includes unrated version" release.  Most, if not all, of the ones I have seen are some kind of edition (unrated, special, director's, etc.) that also include the theatrical version.  I will have to peruse my collection to make sure.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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I don't think I ever seen it either
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Neither have I. I guess as has been pointed out the unrated feature is typically the selling point of the package, sometimes including the theatrical cut.
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You know the old saw...If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It weren't broke, you tried to fix it and now it is broke.

Actually the old rule was not completely clear on which rating to use, and as I indicated not everyone was reading it the same way. I don't have enough spare time to make random rule changes without cause.
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I understand that, ken but i can't recall ever seeing this be much of an issue in the Forums, so I am at a loss to really understand what is meant "not everyone was reading it the same way". The few times it was raised in the forums, it was not, as I recall, one of our Lincoln-Douglas debates, the answer was given and it was sorted out post haste. Just color me 

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Ken, you can't honestly expect us to believe there is life in DVDP land outside of these forums! 
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Ken, you can't honestly expect us to believe there is life in DVDP land outside of these forums! 

ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

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Quoting Ken Cole:
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You know the old saw...If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It weren't broke, you tried to fix it and now it is broke.

Actually the old rule was not completely clear on which rating to use, and as I indicated not everyone was reading it the same way. I don't have enough spare time to make random rule changes without cause.

While I don't remember a lot of discussion about this, you are correct, some people were confused by the rule.  Unfortunately, and this is just my opinion, I think you went the wrong way with the change. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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