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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oh don't worry I agree with you on this, but I don't want a very needed strict system shoot dead because of the way 2 or 3 users act. Don't forget a more severe system would be for anyone... |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Like I said before, I know that skip can be "brash" and sometimes very insulting. These posts should be moderated, I will agree with that. But you also have to admit, that there always seems to be a certain group of people that seem to get into the middle of it, no matter what the perceived insult(even if it wasn't to them). Maybe I am not a sensitive to what you perceive as offenses, or maybe I see things from a different perspective. I do think there needs to be a level of consistency between all users. But when the image of Disney, an avatar that is used by Skip, starts becoming a image against a known communist flag, and that in itself not being harassment, really  . While these may not be outright insulting, it can very well be seen as an underhanded slap in the face, especially in light of the comments that have been made about Skip in the past. And if you want to consider the avatars a freedom of speech, and shouldn't be considered harassment against 1 user (even in the perceived spirit of fun), then how can you punish another, in what he may consider a good ribbing (even though you may not get the insinuation). There are not many innocents in the middle of this fight, and trust me, I am not saying skip is innocent, but if we really want to have this conversation, then we really need to have it without any perceived insults from any side. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
I agree with AESP_pres. I'm not seeking a rule against one person. I'm seeking a system that will apply to all of us and which will actually be enforced so that we all comply with it. I will be happy to fall in line and submit to rules that apply to all of us. When it's said that certain acts will be stopped and not tolerated but then they only get warnings, that's when I raise an objection and say enough! Put a stop to it already. I don't care who the offenders are. We should all behave. But I'm not going to be nice about it when I'm attacked while rules are seemingly only gently suggested to others. Frankly, I don't believe a word you say, your actions betray your words. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Like I said before, I know that skip can be "brash" and sometimes very insulting. These posts should be moderated, I will agree with that.
But you also have to admit, that there always seems to be a certain group of people that seem to get into the middle of it, no matter what the perceived insult(even if it wasn't to them).
Maybe I am not a sensitive to what you perceive as offenses, or maybe I see things from a different perspective.
I do think there needs to be a level of consistency between all users.
But when the image of Disney, an avatar that is used by Skip, starts becoming a image against a known communist flag, and that in itself not being harassment, really . While these may not be outright insulting, it can very well be seen as an underhanded slap in the face, especially in light of the comments that have been made about Skip in the past.
And if you want to consider the avatars a freedom of speech, and shouldn't be considered harassment against 1 user (even in the perceived spirit of fun), then how can you punish another, in what he may consider a good ribbing (even though you may not get the insinuation).
There are not many innocents in the middle of this fight, and trust me, I am not saying skip is innocent, but if we really want to have this conversation, then we really need to have it without any perceived insults from any side. Well said Charlie. Very well, indeed. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Like I said before, I know that skip can be "brash" and sometimes very insulting. These posts should be moderated, I will agree with that.
But you also have to admit, that there always seems to be a certain group of people that seem to get into the middle of it, no matter what the perceived insult(even if it wasn't to them).
Maybe I am not a sensitive to what you perceive as offenses, or maybe I see things from a different perspective.
I do think there needs to be a level of consistency between all users.
But when the image of Disney, an avatar that is used by Skip, starts becoming a image against a known communist flag, and that in itself not being harassment, really . While these may not be outright insulting, it can very well be seen as an underhanded slap in the face, especially in light of the comments that have been made about Skip in the past.
And if you want to consider the avatars a freedom of speech, and shouldn't be considered harassment against 1 user (even in the perceived spirit of fun), then how can you punish another, in what he may consider a good ribbing (even though you may not get the insinuation).
There are not many innocents in the middle of this fight, and trust me, I am not saying skip is innocent, but if we really want to have this conversation, then we really need to have it without any perceived insults from any side. You are right. That's exactly it. Some of the avatars are outside the realm of what should be acceptable. I agree. They are there though to protest the double standard. One user can object to an avatar and the avatar is forcibly pulled. Many users can object to a violation that mods said in advance was harassment, yet the mods want to leave the harassment up to view. Do you see the disparity? When the mods went after northbloke's avatar while leaving alone the harassing post, that's when the avatars spread in protest. My avatar is to draw attention to the joke that is moderation here. It is to draw attention to the favor and exception and warning-after-the-last-possible-warning that is given to some while others, such as northbloke's avatar, are yanked at the request of one user -- ironically the one user that was given the warning on the harassment post. What we have is a joke. We have some (most) users playing by the rules out of fear of being banned while we have other users openly defying the rules and taunting the mods and attacking other users. One way to draw attention to the pomposity and hypocrisy is to shine the light right back on that which is the problem. When rules are mocked and those who mock are given a pass at the expense of the rule-abiders, I have no problem as a rule-abider standing up and calling BS on the system. I am not the problem. I'm fed up with the lines being redrawn so that it's ok to attack me while it's not ok for me to show contempt through my avatar. I will happily fall under any system that disallows me from attacking others as long as it disallows others from attacking me. Until then, I protest. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan | | | | Last edited: by m.cellophane |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Like I said before, I know that skip can be "brash" and sometimes very insulting. These posts should be moderated, I will agree with that.
I've said it before the problem that we have on this forum is not because of one particular user, but maybe less than 10 members. The problem is that this minority gave a really bad reputation to the forum and DVDP in general. It's one of the reasons why I can't understand this lack of reaction from Ken, maybe he thinks the forum isn't important but it's the window of his company and if the window had 2 or 3 dirty spot it doesn't look clean. A possible buyer who come here and see this mess will react by telling "forget it, I will use something else to catalog my collection"... the result one lost sale. Quote:
But when the image of Disney, an avatar that is used by Skip, starts becoming a image against a known communist flag, and that in itself not being harassment, really .
Ken had said not. But if it was a real picture of him it would be different, now it would be. Anyway, I see it more as a way to express how the rules seem to be applied differently by Ken according to the user than an harassment. Quote:
but if we really want to have this conversation, then we really need to have it without any perceived insults from any side.
I think that we demonstrate in this thread that we are able to have a bashing free discussion when we want to behave. At least I haven't see any written insult yet (remember I haven't the last moderated comment), so maybe something good will come out of this discussion  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | LOL, James, you talk about a double standard. Well I see a double standard too, but not like you do.
Your big problem is that you have always demonstrated that their is only one view...your, and there is no room for any other, nor can you even acknowledge a difference of opinion. The double standard must of necessity be the one you see. Wrong, there is rtoom for multiple opinions and multiple double standards. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
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Like I said before, I know that skip can be "brash" and sometimes very insulting. These posts should be moderated, I will agree with that.
I've said it before the problem that we have on this forum is not because of one particular user, but maybe less than 10 members. The problem is that this minority gave a really bad reputation to the forum and DVDP in general. It's one of the reasons why I can't understand this lack of reaction from Ken, maybe he thinks the forum isn't important but it's the window of his company and if the window had 2 or 3 dirty spot it doesn't look clean. A possible buyer who come here and see this mess will react by telling "forget it, I will use something else to catalog my collection"... the result one lost sale.
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But when the image of Disney, an avatar that is used by Skip, starts becoming a image against a known communist flag, and that in itself not being harassment, really .
Ken had said not. But if it was a real picture of him it would be different, now it would be. Anyway, I see it more as a way to express how the rules seem to be applied differently by Ken according to the user than an harassment.
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but if we really want to have this conversation, then we really need to have it without any perceived insults from any side.
I think that we demonstrate in this thread that we are able to have a bashing free discussion when we want to behave. At least I haven't see any written insult yet (remember I haven't the last moderated comment), so maybe something good will come out of this discussion Ken can say what he will, it does not change my opinion and find thisd silly little avatar game to be highly insulting and those engaging in it have NO, I repeat NO credibility of any kind. They are nothing but thought and speech police desirous of controlling any speech or idea that is contrary to their own. AESP you refer to this thread as bash free, have you been reading the same thread I have, most of the insulting and attacking posts in this thread, and there are MANY, have been aimed at a SINGLE use, and more importantly very very few of these insulting posts have been moderated, double standard? Yeah, I think so. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've just check the thread again Skip and really I can't find any insulting or aggressive post (of course I haven't read the last post of Ace, but I supposed it was). Even the guys that you think are against you don't write the proposal is against one user in particular.
Just think that a new discipline would affect everyone, so it can be good for you also to have a more strict one since everybody will be force to behave. Not just you, me, Sam, Pete, Martian, etc...
It can't a bad thing for all of us |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | It can't be good as long as there is a double standard, AESP. James made reference to a post of mine which he found offensive and went unmoderated. I could go through hundreds of such posts, many of them right here in this thread. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 2, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 490 |
| | Posted: | | | | The point of this topic seems to be nothing except a flame war. IMO it should be closed. Sometimes it's just better to put a lid on it. Please address each other outside of the forum, if you want to fight. It's a mix of Kindergarten and grumpy old men...  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote:
The point of this topic seems to be nothing except a flame war.
IMO it should be closed. Sometimes it's just better to put a lid on it.
Please address each other outside of the forum, if you want to fight.
It's a mix of Kindergarten and grumpy old men... I am not in Kindergarten!  | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Ken can say what he will, it does not change my opinion and find thisd silly little avatar game to be highly insulting and those engaging in it have NO, I repeat NO credibility of any kind. They are nothing but thought and speech police desirous of controlling any speech or idea that is contrary to their own. I'm somewhat torn on the avatar situation. I'd agree with you 100% if it was a pic of you that they were modifying, but since it is such a recognizable public figure it really blurs the lines. I can understand your viewpoint, but theirs as well. But I'm not sure how mocking your avatar relates to 'mind police'? Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
AESP you refer to this thread as bash free, have you been reading the same thread I have, most of the insulting and attacking posts in this thread, and there are MANY, have been aimed at a SINGLE use, and more importantly very very few of these insulting posts have been moderated, double standard? Yeah, I think so. There were two I believe that openly attacked you, and were moderated. I certainly don't condone them, but it brings up an interesting point. If those fell under the currently proposed rules they would be dealt with. But I haven't seen any others that were a personal attack on you. If you could point those out I'd like to see them. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote:
The point of this topic seems to be nothing except a flame war.
IMO it should be closed. Sometimes it's just better to put a lid on it.
Sorry but I really think you miss the point completly of this discussion and flame war it ain't. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote:
The point of this topic seems to be nothing except a flame war.
IMO it should be closed. Sometimes it's just better to put a lid on it.
Please address each other outside of the forum, if you want to fight.
It's a mix of Kindergarten and grumpy old men... I couldn't disagree more! There is a toxicity with this forum and IMO it needs to be dealt with. Not with just one user but with every single user. The problem now is that there is no recognizable line that is drawn to what you can and can't post. Addressing each other 'outside' the forum isn't the answer since the fight will only inevitably show it's face back in here. I believe Charlie posted earlier that this is targeting one poster. I can see that viewpoint, but it's only partially correct. I do believe that much of this sentiment has came from the result of one user, but most if not all, are only asking for the same standard, the same set of rules to be applied to everyone. Many, including my self, don't feel that is the case. We are just asking for a transparent system will everyone is treated equally and held to the same standard. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Once again, we're treated to random moderation. I don't know what I said wrong. i've said much stronger things in posts that weren't moderated and it's not like we get a note from the mods telling us how we screwed up. |
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