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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: And the bad news is that that corrupts an important piece of data in this particular case.
Skip Uncredited cast, by definition, has no "credited as". There's no corruption of data since there is no credited data in the first place. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
Quote: And the bad news is that that corrupts an important piece of data in this particular case.
Skip Uncredited cast, by definition, has no "credited as". There's no corruption of data since there is no credited data in the first place. But in this case, James that premise is making a fundamental change ibn the data, misrepresenting the way the man apparently wishes to be credited as an ACTOR, not as a Crew member. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: But in this case, James that premise is making a fundamental change ibn the data, misrepresenting the way the man apparently wishes to be credited as an ACTOR, not as a Crew member.
Skip That's not information we record. We use the most credited name as the name. Period. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: Additionally, by changinging William Wisher, Jr. to just William Wisher we "corrupt" a very importantant data concept; that he uses two DIFFERENT credits depending upon his work. Um, no, he doesn't. In my copy of The Abyss, he is credited as William Wisher in the cast section. While he is credited as William Wisher, Jr. in The Terminator, that only proves that his credited name was different in those two films. Quote: This would all be unnecessary if we were bnot trying toapply user-determined data. With a Simple Association system, such data would indeed be automatically recorded throughout the entire system once an association was made that William Wisher=William Wisher, Jr.=William Wisher jr. and we would maintain the significant piece of data that Wisher, Jr. applies to his acting credits. Again, Wisher, Jr. does not apply to his acting credits. It applies to one acting credit...as does Wisher. Beyond that, we don't have a simple association system. Since we don't, how it would work under that system is not relevant to the system we do have. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
Quote: And corrupts data in the process. At no point is any data being corrupted. No matter what the common name, we still track whatever name variant is seen on-screen in the "credited as" field. It's as simple as that, and everything else is just going on in your head only.
Additionally, I really think it's time you give this up. On page one, you've started with the complete misconception that we don't use common names for (uncredited) cast entry. You then proceeded to cloud matters by referring to a father with the same name (your no-vote still reads "there is also William Wisher the fathet in addition tyo William Wisher the son, who are you changing it to you"). That simply isn't true, yet another red herring, as there is only one William Wisher in the database - no father with the same name, no Sr. It's just, plain and simply put, not true. Subsequently you started claiming that Kluge should have used "credited as" for his change, while we obviously can't use "credited as" for uncredited entries, so that was a dead end as well. And now you suddenly want to track that Mr. Wisher "uses one credit for acting and one for crew" - something the rules simply don't facilitate: the common name is common for both (and let's not forget the fact that you're basing this perceived difference on only one credit), and you're carping about CLT numbers. All in all, it's pretty clear to everyone that you're grasping at straws...
The matter was settled on page one: Kluge's contribution is 100% correct. End of story. Tim: That sounds like you are making a representation of fact that you cannot make. You can state your opinion, but you don't represent Invelos. You cannot declare that someone's Contribution is correct "End of story." Yo CAN state your opinion, but that is not what you said. So, are you now ignoring the forum Rules and claiming that you represent Invelos? That's what it like to me, the only persons who can make such a declarative statement are Ken or Gerri and if they choose to do so I will listen to it. But i will not listen to someone purporting to represent Profiler. Hmmm, boy that has a familiar ring to it....I think I remember much the same words coming from you....once upon a time. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Ok, that I wiill accept, Martian. I looked for that and couldn't finf it but now i see it. Thank you.
But that said I am not comfortable with this change. But I am looking at it.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
Quote: That may not be important to you, Tim But to some pf us it is every bit as important as linking, perhaps more so. The "that" you are referring to, is your perceived idea that Mr. Wisher "uses one credit for acting and one for Crew." As I pointed out five minutes ago, you're basing that perception on one (count 'em) credit - so... pretty skechy to say the least. But even if we ignore that, the program is not set up to facilitate tracking this. If it's important to you, then by all means, go ahead and track it locally. For online purposes, however, his common name applies to both cast and crew. And corrupts data in the process. You might consider it sketchy, Tim. But to demand your standard, show me ONE credit were he has an acting credit as just Wisher...just one. You won't find it because it does NOT exist. this is an acting credit and it is being fundamentally changed.
Skip Actually Skip... he does use just Wisher in some Acting credits... This is from The Abyss... | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Looks like Martin beat me to it while I was getting the screen cap! | | | Pete |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: So, are you now ignoring the forum Rules and claiming that you represent Invelos? Not in the least. That doesn't change the simple fact that Mr. Wisher's common name is "William Wisher", though, and that's all I've said. Again: you're clearly grasping at straws now that every other approach has failed. Why don't you just admit that you were wrong so we can all move on? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
Quote: So, are you now ignoring the forum Rules and claiming that you represent Invelos? Not in the least. That doesn't change the simple fact that Mr. Wisher's common name is "William Wisher", though, and that's all I've said. Again: you're clearly grasping at straws now that every other approach has failed. Why don't you just admit that you were wrong so we can all move on? Now you're dodging, you have backed yourself into a corner, tim. I ignored it the first time you made the comment, but the second time. No, it looks to me like you are misrepresenting yourself. You made a clear declarative statement and you don't have the authority. Martian actually provided a bit of useful information that YOU and others did NOT. So why don't you stop pretending to be something that you aren't, you've done this for years including setting yourself up as a Rule authority when you had nothing to do with the rules. You sloppy Notes do much more to undermine your credibility than i ever could. "trying to tell the world" it is because YOU say it is" is just pure unmitigated BS. And as I have told you I don't interpret Ken;'s comment as you do, and unless he chooses to clarify it, I will continue to fight your bogus notes and failure to document even in the most basic form by supplying CLT results. As has bbeen noted elsewhere, another user some months ago put the lie to your claims about using CLT results , he posted results that did not match your claim...what a surprise....NOT!!!!! When yoy post CLT results I will happily vote Yes, but I will not accept a claim you refuse to back up. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | <sigh> You know as well as I do that I did no such thing. I honestly don't understand the problem - I can only guess that you're somehow busy trying to divert the attention away from the fact that you've been wrong in this trainwreck of a thread right from your very first post - something you're apparently starting to realize by now. Do we really have to play "No I didn't", "Yes you did" for several more pages? Can't you do it without me? | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | If we are going by only acting credits, apparently he only has five
Terminator 2, which he is uncredited The Termiantor where he is credited as William Wisher Jr. The Abyss Where he is credited as William Wisher Xenogenesis which apparently doesn't have a DVD Release The Reunion again no DVD release
So really we do not have enough for a common name
1 William Wisher 1 William Wisher, Jr. 1 Uncredited
All the rest are crew credits |
| Registered: March 11, 2009 | Posts: 211 |
| Posted: | | | | The finger pointing is not helpful and for some reason seems to be getting worse just as a solution is at hand. |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: So really we do not have enough for a common name Yes we do, as his crew credits qualify just as much for determining the common name - here you go: 'Die Hard 4.0': William Wisher 'The Abyss': William Wisher 'The 13th Warrior': William Wisher 'Exorcist: The Beginning': William Wisher 'Judge Dredd': William Wisher Again: as far as I'm concerned, we knew all this right from the start. Mr. Wisher's is credited throughout his career as "William Wisher". Only once was he credited as "William Wisher, Jr." | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Forum Moderator: Removed | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | EDIT: Comment not required since Invelos has spoken | | | Last edited: by lyonsden5 |
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