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Quoting T!M:
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- if I grab a 4K disc from the shelf, I already know that it isn't region-coded - I don't need to look at the profile for that.
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Not all 4K discs are region free.

Take a look at Shout Factory's USA 4K release of "Weathering With You", the 4K disc is Region A locked.

And there are more.
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quoting T!M:
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So the question is if we're profiling the set, or are we profiling the main media type only? My view is that we're profiling the set. Again, the fact that the profile's "Media Type" isn't listed as 4K-only, but instead as 4K + Blu-ray, underlines that to me, along with the fact that the Blu-ray disc is listed on the "Discs" tab. It isn't a profile for a 4K disc only - it's a profile for the combo pack in it's entirety, a profile for the entire set. From that ensues that we have to look at the entire set for any bonus material.

Here are my thoughts on the matters you raised.

The combo set rule answers both your questions regarding profiling the set or profiling the main media type only:
•  At the very minimum, you can add a 4K only profile, that is an incomplete combo set.
•  When you add the child Blu-ray to the 4K parent, it then becomes the complete combo set.

An optional child profile means you don't have to add a child profile, it doesn't mean that the main feature on that disc is non-existent.

If that child disc was released in its own UPC keep case, or Box set, it would be considered a bona-fide main feature profile. Combining that disc with a 4K disc in a single keep case doesn't change it's main feature status.

Checking the Blu-ray media type allows the addition of a child Blu-ray discID to the 4K box set contents. If the Blu-ray media type was not checked, you would not be allowed (approved) to add the child Blu-ray profile.

There should be only one main feature DiscID in the 4K profile and that is the 4K DiscID. The Blu-ray DiscID should be removed from the 4K profile after adding the child Blu-ray profile.
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This is my understanding, in a 4K parent (Main Feature)/child Blu-ray (Main Feature) combo set:

•  The child Blu-ray main feature disc is neither a Bonus Feature Film disc nor a Bonus Material ONLY disc.
•  Features found on the child Blu-ray disc pertain to the main feature on the child Blu-ray disc, as per Disc Features rules.
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Here's another observation you may wish to consider:

Alternate DiscID profiles have a different profile ID name beginning with typically "VV..........." which don't match the DiscID in the Disc Information section.
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Yes, that's another mismatch scenario I observed as well when the contributor added a different Blu-ray DiscID to a foreign Blu-ray DiscID profile which was approved. The DVDprofiler program didn't validate the DiscID variation and the screeners didn't detect the anomaly.

With regards to the DVD DiscID conundrum, yes, I've been thinking about adding multiple DiscIDs into a single DiscID profile as a potential solution for some time, but I discounted it as a viable solution as it would break the cardinal rule that there should be a one-to-one relationship between the DiscID profile name and the DiscID in the disc information section of the profile.

If we allow multiple DVD DiscIDs in a single DVD DiscID profile, it sets a precedent for changing DiscIDs in Blu-ray DiscID profiles and 4K DiscID profiles as well. If we can't use the original DiscID profile name as our single reference how can we prove which DiscID is correct?
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I found your tool to be both useful and interesting. Not only was it easy to find contribution mistakes, it also exposed what I think is a flaw with DVDprofiler that allowed mistakes to be made.

After studying the contribution notes of the various mismatches found in my library, I found most were Blu-rays and the one common denominator was the "Change UPC/Locality" function.

Too often contributors would take short-cuts when configuring new DiscID profiles by cloning a foreign DiscID profile and using "Change UPC/Locality" to modify the profile name and locality and submit it for approval.

The problem with that process was the contents of the profile had not changed and the original foreign DiscID had remained in the new profile.

So DVDprofiler had no validation check on the newly created DiscID profile and the screeners did not carry out checks on the validity of the disc information within the profile to ensure it matched the profile name. Rather, it was up to the contributor to check the disc information was consistent with the newly created DiscID profile name.

Hence, the mistakes.
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Quoting rdodolak:
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Quoting GSyren:
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Quoting ObiKen:
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The only question remaining is, will Ken Cole submit the annual registration report for his corporation, INVELOS SOFTWARE, INC., by the due date of 31-Jul-2022. If he doesn't, he runs the risk the Missouri Secretary of State may dissolve his corporation, which means the corporation can no longer carry on its business other than to wind up, liquidate and pay off the creditors.

Missouri? Invelos is located in Virginia. 


Corporations can be registered in another state and you'll find that a lot of companies register in Delaware for certain reasons.  But remember that Ken was in Missouri during the Intervocative times and the beginnings of Invelos.

Correct. The company Intervocative Software LLC was registered in Missouri on 01-Dec-1999, whilst the corporation Invelos Software, Inc. was registered in Missouri on 17-Apr-2006.
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Quoting GSyren:
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Quoting ObiKen:
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The only question remaining is, will Ken Cole submit the annual registration report for his corporation, INVELOS SOFTWARE, INC., by the due date of 31-Jul-2022. If he doesn't, he runs the risk the Missouri Secretary of State may dissolve his corporation, which means the corporation can no longer carry on its business other than to wind up, liquidate and pay off the creditors.

Missouri? Invelos is located in Virginia. 

The corporation is registered in Missouri.
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Quoting ObiKen:
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He is still maintaining the infrastructure, however:
•  Renewal registration for his company "Invelos Software, Inc." is due by 31-Jul-2022.
•  Domain name  registration for "invelos.com" is due to expire on 11-May-2022.

The clock is ticking...

Here is some good news, the INVELOS.COM domain name, which was due to expire on 12-May-2022, was renewed in March and now has an expiry date of  11-May-2025.

The only question remaining is, will Ken Cole submit the annual registration report for his corporation, INVELOS SOFTWARE, INC., by the due date of 31-Jul-2022. If he doesn't, he runs the risk the Missouri Secretary of State may dissolve his corporation, which means the corporation can no longer carry on its business other than to wind up, liquidate and pay off the creditors.
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Quoting GreyHulk:
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But if Microsoft do finally fix this issue, all these "Windows 10" Disc IDs disappear overnight.

Waiting for Microsoft to fix the problem with the DVD DiscID is unrealistic.

The Microsoft horse bolted in late 2018 with the Windows 10 version 1809 upgrade, when Microsoft forcibly removed their own software (Windows Media Center and Windows DVD Player) that both used the original DVD DiscID implementation for bookmarking purposes.

Their intentions were clear then and even now, Microsoft is under no obligation to fix the problem as the Windows 10/11 DVD DiscID still complies with their DVD DiscID invention that was patented in 2005 (US Patent No.: 6871012 B1) and I quote:
"it will be understood that the invention is not limited to the exemplary implementations disclosed, but is capable of numerous rearrangements, modifications and Substitutions without departing from the Spirit of the invention"

To date, the Windows 10/11 DVD DiscID generated by DVDprofiler is still unique, there has not been a single report of a duplicate Windows 10/11 DVD DiscID.

Invelos chose to use the Microsoft DIRECTSHOW APIs to calculate the DVD DiscID in their programming, and that is what the Windows 10/11 community are using when they submit their contributions.

A NO vote means there should not be any Windows 10/11 DVD DiscIDs in the database, so what is the alternative, only allow a minority of AnyDVD users to use third-party software to contribute DVD box sets/TV series?

How does a Windows 10/11 user search for the AnyDVD non-UPC DiscID profile using "Add by Disc ID" or conduct a local search "Scan by DVD-ROM"?  They won't find the DiscID. How is that for the betterment of the Windows 10/11 community?
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Quoting GSyren:
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I don't know how to answer, because it's a complex question.

First of all it's important to remember that the problem only applies to DVD and not to Bluray or 4K Ultra. So here are the questions:

A) If a user is not running AnyDVD or similar:
- If a DVD has an old style disc id, should he add a new style disc id as well?
- If it's a new contribution, should he add a (new style) disc id, or leave it empty?

B) If a user is running AnyDVD or similar:
- If a DVD has an old style disc id, should he turn AnyDVD off and add a new style disc id?
- If it's a new contribution, should he add an old style disc id, or turn AnyDVD off and add a new style disc id?

Also, does adding a second disc id actually accomplish anything? I seem to remember there being some discussions about this, but I don't recall what, if anything, that was learned.

These are my observations after examining UPC profiles on Windows 7 and Windows 10 platforms:

Since 2017, I can see only two purposes for adding Disc IDs (DVD, Blu-ray, 4K) in a UPC profile:
•  storing all IDs in the main database (including multiple IDs in a UPC profile)
•  facilitate search within DVDprofiler using "Scan by DVD-ROM" option

There was a third option, "Add by DiscID", which displayed matching UPC profile for any UPC DiscID approved prior to 2017.

However, any UPC profile whose UPC DiscID was approved from 2017-onwards do not appear in "Add by DiscID".

With regards to your adding DiscID scenarios in a UPC profile, all I can say is, if you want to search by "Scan by DVD-ROM Drive" then add it to the UPC profile. If you want to upload the DiscID then it should be useful to the rest of the community when searching by DVD-ROM drive.

Please note that adding multiple Disc-IDs in a UPC profile works, however, it's a last in, first out situation (that is, last approved UPC DiscID is downloaded).
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This is my understanding:

The Discs ID rule specifically targets a dual-sided disc containing a single film that may be on both sides or span both sides. There is only one profile and the use of "Side B" description implies the film is either the same film with different aspect ratio or a continuation of the film from "Side A".

However, if there are different films on either side of the dual-sided disc, the "Side B" description is irrelevant, as they are not the same film and we create a box set with separate child disc-ID profiles for each film using standard contribution rules, as per the box set rules. So each child Disc-ID profile will have a "Side A" Main Feature disc-ID entry.

Hope that provides some clarity on the subject.
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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You can't really prevent from people ding so. They add the disc in the drive and use the appropriate function in the program and that's that.

Until we've actually cracked the code on how to compute the old DiscId I contributed loads of discs because I didn't think we could get the old way back and I figured that it's better than to not have the discs in the database there at all.

Also, you can't force people to use a plugin to do what the program supposedly does out of the box.

Agree, because any new Windows 10/11 DVD Disc-ID profile is accessible to ALL Windows 10/11 users and that is for the betterment of the community. To date, there has not been a single instance of a duplicate DVD disc-ID reported on Windows 10/11.
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I assume you are referring to the US produced film "IT" (2017).

When in doubt for original title of American produced films, I always double-check the title found in the film's copyright registration and film's CARA rating registration.

In both instances, the film's original title was "IT". Hope that helps.
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Since his real name doesn't currently exist in the database, I would enter his credited stage name "PnB Rock" in the First Name field for the song writer.

Other examples of song writers in the database using stage names are Madonna and Sting.
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Quoting dee1959jay:
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Quoting GSyren:
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In my opinion, if the cover just says ”Touch of Evil”, then it's a single parent with bonus child profiles. If the cover names multiple movies, then it's a box set. But that's just my interpretation. So in my opinion the Blade Runner 5 disc should be handled as bonuses. But I yield to the majority - even when the majority is wrong. 


Actually, I think you’re right. The Contribution Rules tell us that the term Box Set refers to releases containing “more than one film”.

IMHO, different cuts of the same film do not qualify as “more than one film”, which would preclude profiling them as a box set.

The Blade Runner set was just the first association I had after reading the OP’s question, but that doesn’t necessarily mean I agree with the way that set has been set up. The question is, however, which of the different cuts you would enter as the parent profile. I can imagine that it would not always be obvious which one to choose for that.

Correct, the first option to treat it as a box set is invalid according to the box set rules, as all three films were derived from the same original camera negative. It is one film, not two or more different films.

Treating the package as a single main feature with bonus feature films (option 2) would be a valid option based on the back cover.

To view the back cover, refer to this 4K review on YouTube and fast forward to 02 min 22 secs and note the last sentence in the overview: "This 3-disc special edition features 4K restorations of all three versions of the film."

The back cover also lists the various versions in the following order:
•  Reconstructed Version
•  Theatrical Version
•  Preview Version

The 4K Disc labels had no disc numbering, whilst the Reconstructed Version disc was secured on its own spindle and the Theatrical Version/Preview version discs were piggy-backed on the second spindle.

Based on the back cover details and physical content, I would treat the Reconstructed Version as the Parent and construct the package as follows (as per Bonus Feature Film (BFF) rules):
•  Add to parent Disc-ID Info section the following DiscIDs/Description:
    Disc1-ID:  Main Feature (Reconstructed Version)
    Disc2-ID:  Bonus Feature Film (Theatrical Version)
    Disc3-ID:  Bonus Feature Film (Preview Version)
•  Add to parent Other Features the BFF titles  "Touch of Evil (Theatrical Version), Touch of Evil (Preview Version)".
•  Add to parent box set contents the two BFF DiscIDs.

Hope that provides some clarity on the topic.
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I tried MonoCheck v2 and liked it very much, its a simple but effective tool and I will be using it from now on.
Bravo Zulu to GSyren.
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Quoting marcelb7:
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If these rules aren't incorporated into the DVD Profiler contribution rules, then it's moot to post it here...

I was being pro-active by providing useful information so as to avoid future queries about the credit interpretation in contribution discussions.

Ignorance is not a defence.
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Here is some information about the new writing credit and its applicability to DVDprofiler, hope it helps.

Following a referendum in November, 2021, the Writers Guild of America (WGA) is now going to add a new writing credit in feature films called "Additional Literary Material".

It may be added to the end credits of feature films (whose writing credits come under WGA jurisdiction), and will become effective from 1st January, 2022.

Please note, this new credit is for writing services, not authorship, so it doesn't fit under any existing writing credits in DVDprofiler and will be ignored in profile crew credits. It is NOT an "Original Material By" credit.

You can read the WGA Screen Credits Referendum 2021 explanation document here.

Salient Questions and Answers from that document are listed below:

•  Can a writer receive both a main credit (e.g. “story by,” “screenplay by”) and also an “Additional Literary Material" credit?
No. By definition, “Additional Literary Material" goes only to participating writers who receive no writing credit on the film.

•  What is a “participating writer” exactly?
The term “participating writer” is defined in the Screen Credits Manual. It means a writer who sold literary material (such as a spec script) or was employed to write on a project under a Guild contract.

•  In what order are the names for “Additional Literary Material" listed?
Alphabetically by last name.

•  If I receive another credit on the project (e.g. director, producer, actor, etc.), can I still be entitled to an "Additional Literary Material" credit?
Yes, as long as you were also a participating writer who submitted written material.

•  Could a director (or producer or actor) just give themselves — or their friends — “Additional Literary Material” credit?
No, because only participating writers are eligible for the credit. The Guild follows a well established process for determining which writers actually worked on a project and submitted literary material.

•  Are mini-room and roundtable participants included in the “Additional Literary Material" credit?
No, unless they submitted written material. This would exclude the majority of mini-room and roundtable participants.

Does the “Additional Literary Material” credit apply to longform projects that fall under TV Credits jurisdiction?
No. The “Additional Literary Material” credit is available only for projects determined to fall under Screen Credits jurisdiction.

•  If a studio doesn’t include “Additional Literary Material" credits in the end crawl, will my credit still appear on IMDb and in the WGA “Find A Writer” directory?
Yes.

•  Under which category on IMDb will “Additional Literary Material" be listed?
While the decision rests with IMDb, the WGA’s guidance will be to place “Additional Literary Material" in the “Full Cast & Crew” list and not with the top-of-page writing credits.

•  Will “Additional Literary Material" be retroactive?
No. If approved, it would begin with credits determined after December 31, 2021.
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Quoting hydr0x:
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This is true for both DiscID/alternate discID profiles. The "Main Feature" on the Disc ID/alternate disc ID profile becomes the frame of reference when applying the "Disc Features" rule. It is independent of which profile was constructed first.


At least in my example, there is no "Main Feature" and I think this is true for a lot of boxsets. Both movies on the disc are equally important feature films. Which movie uses the "clean" disc ID and which one the #1 alternate is purely arbitrary.

Just to clarify what I mean by "Main Feature" on a DiscID/Alternate DiscID profile, I mean the movie title recorded in the profile, which is listed in the DiscID Information description as "Main Feature". The DiscID/alternate DiscID profiles have different main features, and the "Disc Features" rule will be applied based on that main feature (film title) in the DiscID/alternate DiscID profile, which is in line with standard contribution rules. Hope that helps.
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Quoting GSyren:
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GSyren's suggestion of first disc profile is purely arbitrary, which movie title is selected for the first profile?

Since the problem is not addressed in the rules, it seems to me that any solution is arbitrary. Which movie title is the first profile? The one that does not have the alternate ID. And which one should that be? Well, I always select the one that comes first in the menu.

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How is that different to having separate physical discs for each film with the same feature on both discs?

It's not, I guess, except I have never seen two discs in a boxset having identical features of this kind (an interview on disc 1, a featurette on disc 2 and a gallery on disc 3, if I remember correctly).

My understanding is we create individual profiles, in line with standard contribution rules, for each film in the box set.

This is true for both DiscID/alternate discID profiles. The "Main Feature" on the Disc ID/alternate disc ID profile becomes the frame of reference when applying the "Disc Features" rule. It is independent of which profile was constructed first.
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But entering them on both profiles for a disc will make it look like there are two sets of features.

It will make it look like each film has the same set of features, which is apparently the case.  This may be the best solution we have right now, other than just leaving them off altogether.

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Agree with your summation.

GSyren's suggestion of first disc profile is purely arbitrary, which movie title is selected for the first profile? Is it as the titles appear on the front cover, back cover, disc label, disc menu contents or is based on production date, running time,... ?

If the disc contains a feature(s) (or Other Features) that is non-specific to the films on that same disc then it is common to both films, hence, that feature (or Other Feature) should be added to both the Disc/Alternate Disc #1 profiles.

When I watch the first film, I have access to that feature from the disc menu.
When I watch the second film, I have access to that feature from the disc menu.

How is that different to having separate physical discs for each film with the same feature on both discs?

We still end up with two film profiles with the same feature in either case.
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Quoting hydr0x:
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I had the same problem recently with the "Mae West in Hollywood" boxset by Indicator/Powerhouse. It contains 10 movies on 6 discs. There are two features unrelated to any specific movie:

"Mae West at UCLA" (1971)
Cartoon "The Merry Old Soul" (1933)

The rules are completely silent about this. It felt wrong to me to arbitrarily choose either of the films from the disc that contained the bonus feature and add the feature there. Instead, I added these features to the boxset itself, similar to a booklet, postcards, or other physical bonus.

Of course, the downside is that you cannot tell from the profiles which disc contains the features.

I think this is another example of the old question in terms of DVD Profiler: Are we profiling movies, incidentally released on a disc, or are we profiling discs that happen to contain movies

I am assuming you created a DiscID / alternate DiscID #1 profile for the films NIGHT AFTER NIGHT / SHE DONE HIM WRONG.

The two features were not specific to either film on the same disc, rather, they were common to both films on the same disc.

Adding them to "Other Features" in the Disc/Alternate Disc profiles is a valid solution and provides the information you seek on their whereabouts.

Just my thoughts.
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This was discussed previously here.

The Writers Guild of America's screen credits manual has this definition:

"Adaptation by"
In the interest of avoiding a multiplicity of credits, the Guild is opposed to the general use of the "Adaptation by" credit. However, the Guild recognizes that there are certain unusual cases where credit is due a writer who shapes the direction of screenplay construction without qualifying for "Screenplay by" credit. In those special cases, and only as a result of arbitration, the "Adaptation by" credit may be used.

So the answer is omit the credit. Hope that helps.
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Quoting ateo357:
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This is not a type of credit that has appeared in the last few years. I'm pretty sure the films were in the database when the crew grid was established and it wasn't included in the costume designer list.

He used "Wardrobe Direction" from 1947-1956 and "Executive Wardrobe Designer" from 1956-1959.

I trawled all Invelos forum discussions and excluding this thread and his common name thread, there is not a single hit using his name (used search key=maire, to speed things up)!
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