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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Am I the only one who has no clue what you are talking about?

Yes! Well, no, actually. It's not the best known hidden feature.



If you hold down Ctrl, "Replace" is changed into "Global Replace".
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Am I the only one who has no clue what you are talking about?

Yes! Well, no, actually. It's not the best known hidden feature.



If you hold down Ctrl, "Replace" is changed into "Global Replace".


But how is this supposed to work?

Imagine you have a Jane Smith in your DB and she has 10 acting credits, all legit, all verified.

Now Jane marries John Doe and takes his last name and she makes 9 movies.

Then there are 19 credits to her name, according to DVDP rules she is still Jane Smith but credited in 9 movies as "Jane Smith [as Jane Doe]".

Now she makes two more movies and per the rules her common name is now Jane Doe.

How do I replace the common name Jane Smith with Jane Doe and have the first ten movies now state "Jane Doe [as Jane Smith]"?
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How do I replace the common name Jane Smith with Jane Doe and have the first ten movies now state "Jane Doe [as Jane Smith]"?

I have a very strong feeling that you already know the answer to this, but here is how:



You check the checkbox in the confirmation dialog.
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Finally!!!!! Some light.

I have been asking and now I know the answer. Common name = the names you see in the Cast / Crew edit dialogue. Simple. I wonder if there is somewhere on the plugin API that you can see this.

Also, the global replace ... is it locally Global, or the changes automatically collected and sent to the online?

Can it be true? Am I finally going to understand this? Wow!
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Locally only.
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How do I replace the common name Jane Smith with Jane Doe and have the first ten movies now state "Jane Doe [as Jane Smith]"?

I have a very strong feeling that you already know the answer to this, but here is how:



You check the checkbox in the confirmation dialog.


Yeah but that only works if you have two different entries for one person.

Am I assuming that the workflow for this would be:

Database has Jane Smith, sometimes credited as Jane Doe.

Now I create a second, new entry Jane Doe that has no credits to her name.

Now I execute a global replace.

Now I delete the original Jane Smith.


Because I always just renamed the entry that was already there.

When that person has an in-database photograph, you also need to transfer it to the new entry.


Not really intuitive IMHO.
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Yes, this is the workflow.

Addendum:
- The profile, on which you are executing the replace, should list the name only once, since other appearances in the same profile are not replaced (therefore TV shows are bad starting points)
- immediatly after the replace the profile should be saved (there are some minor bugs in this feature).

Sorry for being so abruptly with my first answer; and thanks to all for the explanations 
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Yes, this is the workflow.

Addendum:
- The profile, on which you are executing the replace, should list the name only once, since other appearances in the same profile are not replaced (therefore TV shows are bad starting points)
- immediatly after the replace the profile should be saved (there are some minor bugs in this feature).

Sorry for being so abruptly with my first answer; and thanks to all for the explanations 

Stuff like this is so easy for plugins to do, and all occurrences would be handled and saved correctly. Shall I put it on my list? BulkEdit? CLTBoss? Rather do it manually?

Edit: Maybe HTTPJolie is the best place.
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Ok no answer yet to that. Sort of doesn't matter, cause I'll probably do it anyway. 

But this whole thing keeps bugging me. Suppose, everybody dutifully did bulk updates every time they had good evidence that it was needed, and then they submitted the changed profiles, and they got approved, then the updated profiles caused CLT results to change, then other users need to update their profiles, then ...

What kind of crazy system is that? I wonder if Invelos just didn't think it through, or maybe got stopped before finishing the support for "common name" and the associated CLT?

I mean, users should have to do NOTHING more than enter the data correctly. Then the "common name," whatever it is should be automatically and continuously computed by the server and the the common name field in the profile updated, but:

- there is no common name field  (but we could add one)
- there is no automated process (still thinking about this)
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Ok no answer yet to that. Sort of doesn't matter, cause I'll probably do it anyway. 

But this whole thing keeps bugging me. Suppose, everybody dutifully did bulk updates every time they had good evidence that it was needed, and then they submitted the changed profiles, and they got approved, then the updated profiles caused CLT results to change, then other users need to update their profiles, then ...

What kind of crazy system is that? I wonder if Invelos just didn't think it through, or maybe got stopped before finishing the support for "common name" and the associated CLT?

I mean, users should have to do NOTHING more than enter the data correctly. Then the "common name," whatever it is should be automatically and continuously computed by the server and the the common name field in the profile updated, but:

- there is no common name field  (but we could add one)
- there is no automated process (still thinking about this)


In a perfect world yes, but maybe I'm missing understanding what you're saying but if you enter say "Jonathan Smith," how would Invelos know if it's actually someone whose common name is "John Smith" or a new entirely new actor who goes by Jonathan Smith?

I don't see a way that it can be fully automated without some sort of human research involved.
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In a perfect world yes, but maybe I'm missing understanding what you're saying but if you enter say "Jonathan Smith," how would Invelos know if it's actually someone whose common name is "John Smith" or a new entirely new actor who goes by Jonathan Smith?

I don't see a way that it can be fully automated without some sort of human research involved.

Yes! Exactly! I am so glad that you made this post because it summarizes the crux of the issue: we have multiple understandings and confusion about the definition of "common name."

You might have missed the distinction I made in my comments. I made a distinction between "the name a person most commonly uses for their credits = stage name = CreditedAs" vs. "the most commonly found credited name in the database". Then there is the little matter of the person's real name, which can be, and often is, different from either of the other two. In our community, we go back and forth between these definitions without distinction, and that confusion plus inadequate support in the database, leads to inconsistent contributions and endless disputes and flip flops in the profile contents. People spend more time complaining about the problem, than trying to craft solutions.

So, I am actually in total agreement with you, because we are both correct about two different aspects of a person's name.

Here is my view:

F/M/L - which is in the database - the person's actual name, or the name they use in public

CreditedAs - the credited name, as it appears in the movie / film credits

Common Name - the most commonly used  CreditedAs in the DVD Profiler Online Database

Now, there is no database field for Common Name. That's what motivates the legitimate Common Names discussions. Ken has given us a way to add fields to a profile. And if we all agreed, we could do that. But, as I said before, we tend to prefer to complain about problems rather than solve them.

The other two sets of fields are there, but due to confusion about terminology, there is inconsistent practice in filling these fields. So, the online is a mess. No way to fix it, as a set of individual users, except over a long period of time. It would have to be an Invelos driven, backend process, that would need our help to provide the data for the first pass.

From then on,

F/M/L should be filled in as completely and correctly as possible by the contributor. In many cases, the concatenated F/M/L will be identical to CreditedAs

CreditedAs should be taken exactly from the film credits

Common Name would be automatically and continuously updated by the backend. That would lead to more profile updates than some of us want, so there would have to be an option to suppress common name updates at the profile level, and / or a new tool called "The Common Name Tool: enter in a name variant, and you get back the current common name".
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By the way, the first step in solving a problem, is understanding the problem, and having a mutual agreement of all parties affected. That is all I am trying to do here. No soapbox, no religion, no agenda. Open to any / all ideas that lead constructively to understanding the problem and defining the parameters of a solution - which may or may not be obtainable - but at least we get to know that, and exactly why.
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