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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantjohnd
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What are you, a bloody socialist?  Money is grease that lets the gears of the world continue to grind.  When are people going to realize that?


Socialist? Perhaps.

Who said "I want to live in a society, not an economy"? Perhaps money isn't all that important to some people.

Unless you live in the US.....
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This is confusing the hell out of me; Gerri is saying that the CoO field is to record the production company? I'm ok with that, but the production company for LoTR is based in NZ, NOT the US! So is Gerri wrong?


I'm afraid she is. The COO for LotR is New Zealand, not the US. Strange how some people want to claim anything good to be theirs. There are probably Americans who are very unhappy that New Zealand could make such a good set of films.

However, I am quite happy to concede Showgirls, Howard the Duck, Daredevil, and Alien vs. Predator to the US.
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By that logic, 'King Solomon's Mines' with Stewart Granger belongs to South Africa because that's where it was filmed.  Or 'An American in Paris' becomes French because it was filmed in Paris.  Or Clark Gable in 'Soldier of Fortune' belongs to Hong Kong, etc.


You've got the wrong end of the stick. It isn't where a film is set or the nationality of the characters, but the nationality of the artists that matter and should dictate the ownership. They bring their own viewpoint and methods to a story and shape it accordingly. Far more than the financers.

For instance, I previously mentioned United 93. A British film by copyright apparently, a British director/writer, but a very American story.

On the other hand, Robin Hood ought to be a British film, but it can't be because Kevin Costner thinks you can walk from Dover to Nottingham in time for tea! I love the film, but it is an American viewpoint. And accent. 
Jon
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What are you, a bloody socialist?  Money is grease that lets the gears of the world continue to grind.  When are people going to realize that?


I always thought it was the sweat of the poor that greased the gears that produced the money? 
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Here is the post that "defined" CoO and made Gerri respond with agreement.

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Hmm, the country of origin should be where the production companies are based, don't you think?

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Yes, that is the intention, Lord of the Rings would be US. It is where the production companies are based.

Elwood Blues is right.

-Gerri
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That would be all very well and good if the production companies for Lord of the Rings were based in the US, but they are not. WingNut is New Zealand based!

From the Official Peter Jackson Fanclub site:
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But you can send any fan mail to this address:

FAO : Peter Jackson
WingNut Films
P.O Box 15-208
Miramar
Wellington
New Zealand
Andy

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The problem with Gerri's post is that the production company for LoTR (WingNut) is based in New Zealand.
So does Gerri think the production company was based in the US or does she class New Line (the funder/distributor) as the production company?
We need clarification on what Invelos think "production company" means. Is it the company that fund the film, make the film or distribute the film?
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Here is what Gerri said in another thread about the CoO...

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Yes, that is the intention, Lord of the Rings would be US. It is where the production companies are based.

Elwood Blues is right.

-Gerri


So the intent of the field is where the Production Company is based. So basically... unless they decide to change it... where the original idea comes from don't matter. what matters is the company that produces the film.

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HERE is a Link to that Thread


This is confusing the hell out of me; Gerri is saying that the CoO field is to record the production company? I'm ok with that, but the production company for LoTR is based in NZ, NOT the US! So is Gerri wrong?


New Line is the production company - they own the rights.  That's the end of the story.
John

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Agreed. LoTR are definately New Zealand imo.


New Line owns the movie rights to the LoTR trilogy and The Hobbit.  The fact that they hired Peter Jackson's production company to make the film doesn't change that fact.  Basically New Line, a US company, hired WingNut, a New Zealand company to make the film.

This is really starting to border on the absurd. 

Another famous example is A Very Long Engagement which was denied public funding from France when it was determined that too much of the other production money for the film was coming from an American source -- Warner.  Link

To me, the important information to track is the country where the actual people that made the film are based. For LotR, that's New Zealand. For A Very Long Engagement, that's France.

Since you think that's absurd, I guess I'll lock these down until the dust settles.


By that logic, 'King Solomon's Mines' with Stewart Granger belongs to South Africa because that's where it was filmed.  Or 'An American in Paris' becomes French because it was filmed in Paris.  Or Clark Gable in 'Soldier of Fortune' belongs to Hong Kong, etc.

This is absurd, because Gerri already said that whoever owns the film at the time it was made is the country of origin.  In other words, the company that caused it to be made, regardless of where it was filmed or the nationality of the cast and crew.

I didn't say that filming location mattered. I'm referring to the production company ("the actual people that made the film") and the country it's based in.
...James

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New Line is the production company - they own the rights.  That's the end of the story.

James Bond is an American now! 
...James

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What are you, a bloody socialist?  Money is grease that lets the gears of the world continue to grind.  When are people going to realize that?


I always thought it was the sweat of the poor that greased the gears that produced the money? 


Not hardly.  It's the money of the rich bastard up the road that he puts up to start a company that employs all those poor sweating laborers.  Without him they wouldn't have a pot to piss in.

Socialism has never worked, ever.  For all its faults, the US is the economic pit bull in the world, and is the strongest militarily, and politically, and its citizens have more freedom than any other country in the history of the world.  And that's ALL due to capitalism.

You can believe that or not as you see fit.  But, I can stand on any corner in the US and say that, but I wouldn't try it in very many other places around the world.  You'd get arrested at least, and maybe even shot out of hand, in far too many places that think WE are the evil in the world.
John

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New Line is the production company - they own the rights.  That's the end of the story.

James Bond is an American now! 


Ain't life grand!?
John

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New Line is the production company - they own the rights.  That's the end of the story.

Clearly not as we are all replying! 

The production company was WingNut, with funding from New Line as the studio. Until Ken or Gerri clarify we can't be certain what they want in the field, but imo to put the money men in, in place of the creatives,  is irrelevant and plain stupid!

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Not hardly.  It's the money of the rich bastard up the road that he puts up to start a company that employs all those poor sweating laborers.  Without him they wouldn't have a pot to piss in.

Socialism has never worked, ever.  For all its faults, the US is the economic pit bull in the world, and is the strongest militarily, and politically, and its citizens have more freedom than any other country in the history of the world.  And that's ALL due to capitalism.

You can believe that or not as you see fit.  But, I can stand on any corner in the US and say that, but I wouldn't try it in very many other places around the world.  You'd get arrested at least, and maybe even shot out of hand, in far too many places that think WE are the evil in the world.

And here we go again with the "Ain't America Great Folks" irrelevances... please tell us about your military again Rifter, all us backwards foreign types love to hear about that too!   
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Agreed. LoTR are definately New Zealand imo.


New Line owns the movie rights to the LoTR trilogy and The Hobbit.  The fact that they hired Peter Jackson's production company to make the film doesn't change that fact.  Basically New Line, a US company, hired WingNut, a New Zealand company to make the film.

This is really starting to border on the absurd. 

Another famous example is A Very Long Engagement which was denied public funding from France when it was determined that too much of the other production money for the film was coming from an American source -- Warner.  Link

To me, the important information to track is the country where the actual people that made the film are based. For LotR, that's New Zealand. For A Very Long Engagement, that's France.

Since you think that's absurd, I guess I'll lock these down until the dust settles.


By that logic, 'King Solomon's Mines' with Stewart Granger belongs to South Africa because that's where it was filmed.  Or 'An American in Paris' becomes French because it was filmed in Paris.  Or Clark Gable in 'Soldier of Fortune' belongs to Hong Kong, etc.

This is absurd, because Gerri already said that whoever owns the film at the time it was made is the country of origin.  In other words, the company that caused it to be made, regardless of where it was filmed or the nationality of the cast and crew.

I didn't say that filming location mattered. I'm referring to the production company ("the actual people that made the film") and the country it's based in.


Do you understand what a sub-contractor is?  New Line owns the rights.  New Line HIRED Wingnut to make the movie.  That's the end of the story.  Btw, they used Wingnut on Peter Jackson's recommendation because it was a local company and saved them millions of dollars in location costs.  That was a lucky break for them.  If Wingnut hadn't been there, they would've brought in somebody from somewhere else to do it.
John

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New Line is the production company - they own the rights.  That's the end of the story.

Clearly not as we are all replying! 

The production company was WingNut, with funding from New Line as the studio. Until Ken or Gerri clarify we can't be certain what they want in the field, but imo to put the money men in, in place of the creatives,  is irrelevant and plain stupid!

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Not hardly.  It's the money of the rich bastard up the road that he puts up to start a company that employs all those poor sweating laborers.  Without him they wouldn't have a pot to piss in.

Socialism has never worked, ever.  For all its faults, the US is the economic pit bull in the world, and is the strongest militarily, and politically, and its citizens have more freedom than any other country in the history of the world.  And that's ALL due to capitalism.

You can believe that or not as you see fit.  But, I can stand on any corner in the US and say that, but I wouldn't try it in very many other places around the world.  You'd get arrested at least, and maybe even shot out of hand, in far too many places that think WE are the evil in the world.

And here we go again with the "Ain't America Great Folks" irrelevances... please tell us about your military again Rifter, all us backwards foreign types love to hear about that too!   


Hey, facts is facts.  I didn't say anything that wasn't a fact - and I couldn't care less if that ticks you off.
John

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That would be all very well and good if the production companies for Lord of the Rings were based in the US, but they are not. WingNut is New Zealand based!

From the Official Peter Jackson Fanclub site:
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But you can send any fan mail to this address:

FAO : Peter Jackson
WingNut Films
P.O Box 15-208
Miramar
Wellington
New Zealand


Yes, but New Line Cinema is US based...  Sure, Peter Jackson and WingNut did the work to make the film, but they did (believe it or not) take direction from New Line.  I don't know if that justifies it being marked at US or not.  The definiton of the field still seem vague to me and there are still no contribution rules mentioning it yet.


What is this field SUPPOSED to be used for?  Are we cataloging ownership?  Creative input?  Something else?  If it's ownership, that should be easily definable.  If it's creative input, then it can get a little mucky and we'll have arguments over what should be there.  Or, are we all off base and they want something else cataloged?

We've seen and heard the opinions of several here on the forums, but none of those matter just yet.  This field belongs to Invelos, at least on the online database, so it is THEIR opinion that matters...  Gerry specifically listed LotR and said it is a US CoO.  So, that would mean that by her definition, New Line is the Production Company that matters.

If we disagree with Invelos, then we don't need to argue with ourselves here.  Whoever thinks Invelos' definition is wrong needs to be discussing it with Invelos to get it resolved.


Continuing to argue over which country should get CoO is pointless until we have clarification from Invelos.
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