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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorninehours
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I was about to vote no to changes posted to the Highlander profile as the new profile as removed the uncredited actors so only the actors from the DVD's cast list are there. Should only the information from the disc be used or is it OK to add actors and roles not there why else do we have the uncredited feature. Your thoughts please i don't want to vote no to this profile if the person who submitted it is doing the right thing and the rest of the changes are good one's.
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As of a couple of years ago we do not add uncredited actors in a profile without complete documentation. If a person has removed uncredited actors from a title that was in the database that previously had uncredited actors, that is a no-no to most people.

The only way to add uncredited actors nowadays is to have documentation from an impeachable source (which is not IMDB ).
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Uncredited Actors are allowed.. here is what the rules state...

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Uncredited actors may be listed in alphabetical order following all credited actors. Use the "Uncredited" checkbox to indicate these. Uncredited actors are not required entries.


what is his reasoning for removing the uncredited? the contributer would have to have some sort of documented reason for removing the actors... just because they are not credited in the credits would not be good enough.
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Uncredited Actors are allowed.. here is what the rules state...

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Uncredited actors may be listed in alphabetical order following all credited actors. Use the "Uncredited" checkbox to indicate these. Uncredited actors are not required entries.


what is his reasoning for removing the uncredited? the contributer would have to have some sort of documented reason for removing the actors... just because they are not credited in the credits would not be good enough.


His reason seems to be that they are taken from the IMDb web site
Have just checked out the Imortal Edition this also has the uncredited actors in the cast.
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As of a couple of years ago we do not add uncredited actors in a profile without complete documentation. If a person has removed uncredited actors from a title that was in the database that previously had uncredited actors, that is a no-no to most people.

The only way to add uncredited actors nowadays is to have documentation from an impeachable source (which is not IMDB ).



You mean unimpeachable, don't you? 
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Uncredited Actors are allowed.. here is what the rules state...

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Uncredited actors may be listed in alphabetical order following all credited actors. Use the "Uncredited" checkbox to indicate these. Uncredited actors are not required entries.


what is his reasoning for removing the uncredited? the contributer would have to have some sort of documented reason for removing the actors... just because they are not credited in the credits would not be good enough.



After about June of 2005, no uncredited allowed without docs.  Since 3.0 was a new database, any profile that was not in it qualifies as a brand new entry, and you would have to provide docs to add any uncredited entries.
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Uncredited Actors are allowed.. here is what the rules state...

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Uncredited actors may be listed in alphabetical order following all credited actors. Use the "Uncredited" checkbox to indicate these. Uncredited actors are not required entries.


what is his reasoning for removing the uncredited? the contributer would have to have some sort of documented reason for removing the actors... just because they are not credited in the credits would not be good enough.



After about June of 2005, no uncredited allowed without docs.  Since 3.0 was a new database, any profile that was not in it qualifies as a brand new entry, and you would have to provide docs to add any uncredited entries.


Where does it say that in the contribution rules? It seems to be a convention rather than a rule.
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Since 3.0 was a new database, any profile that was not in it qualifies as a brand new entry, and you would have to provide docs to add any uncredited entries.

And, as you well know, we're not able to add contribution notes to new contributions, so I'm guessing that about 90 to 99% of all (uncredited) actors in the Invelos database at present are undocumented. You're not saying that it's okay to delete all of those, are you? 'Cause I certainly don't agree with that.
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I just voted no to this one as well on the basis that:
1) If it's in the database it has been voted on and accepted, to remove it would need some explanation.
2) I can verify one of the uncredited people as having been in the movie
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After about June of 2005, no uncredited allowed without docs.  Since 3.0 was a new database, any profile that was not in it qualifies as a brand new entry, and you would have to provide docs to add any uncredited entries.


Where does it say that in the contribution rules? It seems to be a convention rather than a rule.

Nowhere. The rules specifically allow uncredited cast to be added, and DVD Profiler 3 even features extended support for it with a new checkbox.
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After about June of 2005, no uncredited allowed without docs.


What are docs? I accept IMDB can be flaky especially for uncredited, but not everything can be documented. What is wrong with recognising the actor from other roles or headshots (giving runing time as I have seen b4) and even backing that up with less accurate web sources?
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Since 3.0 was a new database, any profile that was not in it qualifies as a brand new entry, and you would have to provide docs to add any uncredited entries.

And, as you well know, we're not able to add contribution notes to new contributions, so I'm guessing that about 90 to 99% of all (uncredited) actors in the Invelos database at present are undocumented. You're not saying that it's okay to delete all of those, are you? 'Cause I certainly don't agree with that.



If you can't prove they're in the movie (and I'd bet good money that you can't prove at least 75% of them) they shouldn't be there.  Even Ken saying he wanted to keep that stuff there is pointless because you can't use unverified information for anything but personal use anyway.  So, if it can't be proven, it should be removed.  If it were my call, it would be gone - or at least 80% of it would be.
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Docs is documentation. And if it cannot be doumented then it should NOT be added under (uncredited). For all we know you are trying to add yourself to (uncredited) just for laughs, don't laugh it has been done at that other site. Yeah it takes some work,  if you aren't willing to do it then don't add it.

Nine hours each title is independent and traeted on its own merits several Highlanders have (uncredited) data, but if there is a new release of Highlander tomorrow it should NOT have (uncredited) without thourough documentation

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John:

I would bet more along the lines of 98%

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After about June of 2005, no uncredited allowed without docs.


What are docs? I accept IMDB can be flaky especially for uncredited, but not everything can be documented. What is wrong with recognising the actor from other roles or headshots (giving runing time as I have seen b4) and even backing that up with less accurate web sources?



Docs = documentation.  If it is undocumented, then it isn't verified.  If its unverified, then you can't rely on its accuracy.  If it isn't accurate, it has no place in a database based on accurate data.

You say what is wrong with....  etc.  Nothing at all.  If you provide that information, that IS documentation and thus qualifies the entry.
John

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After about June of 2005, no uncredited allowed without docs.  Since 3.0 was a new database, any profile that was not in it qualifies as a brand new entry, and you would have to provide docs to add any uncredited entries.


Where does it say that in the contribution rules? It seems to be a convention rather than a rule.

Nowhere. The rules specifically allow uncredited cast to be added, and DVD Profiler 3 even features extended support for it with a new checkbox.


Exactly! It is a convention adhered to by a clique of members. Until it is a rule, I won't be adhering to it.
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