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Terminator 2
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSquirrelecto
Registered: March 13, 2007
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The rule says:

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Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release.  For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary:

    * Title: There's Something More About Mary
    * Original Title: There's Something About Mary



The title of the DVD release shows as:



The back of the internal cover says "T2: The Ultimate Edition DVD" (as does the back of the re-released outer cover).



The front of the internal cover uses the full name.

But it's the outermost cover that is scanned into the database, and the front cover of outermost covers has always been most important in determining modified titles in the past.

So Title --> "T2", Original Title --> "Terminator 2: Judgment Day"

Discuss...
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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You left out a couple of details...which are the reasons I voted 'no' to your contribution.

  • The outer cover has 'Terminator 2: Judgment Day' on the spine.

  • The front of the inner case, since you mention the back, also says 'Terminator 2: Judgment Day'.


  • In my opinion, that is what should be the title of the profile.
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSquirrelecto
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    Quoting Unicus69:
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  • The front of the inner case, since you mention the back, also says 'Terminator 2: Judgment Day'.



  • I did mention that one. Just after the rear shot (oh matron):

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    The front of the internal cover uses the full name.


    I'm trust (hope) those who own it will study it carefully before voting/giving their opinion anyway
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    DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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    Quoting Squirrelecto:
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    Quoting Unicus69:
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  • The front of the inner case, since you mention the back, also says 'Terminator 2: Judgment Day'.



  • I did mention that one. Just after the rear shot (oh matron):

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    The front of the internal cover uses the full name.


    Yes you did...I missed it.  Sorry about that. 

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    I'm trust (hope) those who own it will study it carefully before voting/giving their opinion anyway


    I own it. 
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    There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
    Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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    We will teach it to them again.
    Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwidescreenforever
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    I feel that when this title hit the movies in the summer of 1991 there was never a mention of T2 either on the marque /posters or on the big screen . BUT when the VHS and laser discs were released that winter the promotional dept hit on this T2 business. So the DVD here has a special slip case with the T2 logo on the front but the original title titles on spine and inner jacket and the discs themselves.

    ( I have the silk screened two disc set from Canada on DVD 9 and have since pulled my earlier contribution and have now installed a new contribution with SAME UPC code as Canada edition but it is DVD9 on two discs.)
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorTigiHof
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    Well, I see it this way: Yes, the title change to "T2" is compliant with the rules and thus technically correct (so I had to vote "Yes").

    But, on the other hand, not everything that is compliant with the rules has to be uploaded, you know. Sometimes it is better to leave things the way they are and pretend you didn't notice. Who benefits from this upload ? That's right: Nobody. People having this profile in their collection will not like the change (like me), other users won't find it in the title search (for example for putting it in the wish list). It is simply a pointless contribution to me.
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    Quoting TigiHof:
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    But, on the other hand, not everything that is compliant with the rules has to be uploaded, you know. Sometimes it is better to leave things the way they are and pretend you didn't notice. Who benefits from this upload ? That's right: Nobody. People having this profile in their collection will not like the change (like me), other users won't find it in the title search (for example for putting it in the wish list). It is simply a pointless contribution to me.


    Well put. I wish more people saw it that way...  And paid attention to one of the first rules: "Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database."
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMsPaula
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    Registered: March 14, 2007
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    But, on the other hand, not everything that is compliant with the rules has to be uploaded, you know. Sometimes it is better to leave things the way they are and pretend you didn't notice. Who benefits from this upload ? That's right: Nobody. People having this profile in their collection will not like the change (like me), other users won't find it in the title search (for example for putting it in the wish list). It is simply a pointless contribution to me.


    Well put. I wish more people saw it that way...  And paid attention to one of the first rules: "Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database."


    I couldn't agree more.  It would be interesting to know how many persons choose to accept this update if/when it is released. I know I wouldn't
    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantSailorRipley
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    Ok, my miserable two cents.

    While I kinda understand the rules regarding the actual DVD title online, well... I don't see it as a very practical thing. I'd think most collectors would want the original titles in the database, and not some dumb alternate title that is obviously a dumb marketing gimmick.

    Rant initialized:

    Besides, just imagine having someone visiting you and asking: "Hey, do you have that cool T2 movie?". Who says that? (Come on, say it outloud --T2-- and you'll realize just how stupid that sounds). Personally, I just hate these new titles, what is wrong with the original, anyway?

    Other title guilty of this idiotic practice of alternate titles would be Bruce Campbell Vs. Army of Darkness or worse, all those ID4, X2, X3, AvP. MiB...  what's up with that??  Are we all to stand this acronym-infested world? What's next, POTC? (Is that Pirates of the Caribbean or Passion of the Christ?)

    Rant terminated.

    I would much rather have:
    Original title - Terminator 2: Judgement Day (DVD Title - T2: The Ultimate Edition DVD)

    And yes, I realize I can have this on my local collection, but I don't see the point of having the online mainly with these new alternate titles and stupid acronyms. All of this, IMO. 



    Oh yes, second post, now I only have to type 20,000 more posts to get even with Skip.   
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantVega
    Registered: May 19, 2007
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    I can see the argument both ways and I personally don't see the point in getting myself all worked about it.  I would have voted Yes since it does go along with the rules and Ken put them there for a reason and even put examples exactly like this situation.  Also, this is DVDProfiler not MovieProfiler or TheatricalVersionProfiler.  This particular release of the movie on DVD is titled "T2: The Ultimate Edition DVD", love it or hate it, that's what it is.  Some of you old timers always harp on accuracy in the database but then bend the rules when it happens to be one you personally don't like or don't like the outcome.

    It looks like the profile change was pulled so I guess it's a moot point anyway.  I went ahead and changed it in my local DB anyway for accuracy and it still sits there right between Terminator 1 and Terminator 3 so I don't think I'll ever get it confused with anything else.  It even filters properly if I put in "Termin" because Ken purposely coded DVDP to use all 3 title fields (or at least 2 of them) for filtering to cover just such a case as this.  I don't know what some of your are so scared of with such a minor change as this. 
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantnuoyaxin
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    Quoting Vega:
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    I went ahead and changed it in my local DB anyway for accuracy and it still sits there right between Terminator 1 and Terminator 3 so I don't think I'll ever get it confused with anything else.  It even filters properly if I put in "Termin" because Ken purposely coded DVDP to use all 3 title fields (or at least 2 of them) for filtering to cover just such a case as this.  I don't know what some of your are so scared of with such a minor change as this. 

    I am probably going to do the same as you did, for the same reasons.

    However, the point TigiHof mentioned was, that the local filtering works very well in that respect, but the filtering in the Add By Title window unfortunatley not (I can't test right now, so possibly this has changed....). So, while having T2 in your/our collection is not a problem, finding it in the online database to add it to the collection is difficult/not intuitive.
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    So, while having T2 in your/our collection is not a problem, finding it in the online database to add it to the collection is difficult/not intuitive.


    True, which is why I said I could see the argument from the other side.  It would be nice if the Add By Title worked the same way.  But on the other hand, why wouldn't the person be adding the movie by the UPC code, being that is the default method with which the program is designed to work.

    It's not like we're trying to enforce a questionable Rule on some obscure title that in reality could be considered some exception to the Rule and needs to be argued about for 15 pages.  This particular rule is clearly stated with examples and this particular DVD clearly falls under it.
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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    Is there anything you guys won't try to poke a hole in. This title alone was one of the many reasons  for the Rules. This one ping-ponged over 900 times in 5 years, I think it was in EVERY update during that period. LEAVE IT ALONE.

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    DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantnuoyaxin
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    Is there anything you guys won't try to poke a hole in. This title alone was one of the many reasons  for the Rules. This one ping-ponged over 900 times in 5 years, I think it was in EVERY update during that period. LEAVE IT ALONE.

    Skip

    What hole....? Actually several people in this thread agreed that T2 is correct, just it's better to be left alone.
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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    I know but there was no need to even go there to begin with.

    Skip
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    Billy Video
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    Skip, I think the main problem is that so much of the Contribution forum and profile history is over in the other forums and some of us missed out on all the fun.  After your post I checked the old Intervocative forums and see what you're talking about with the back and forth.  I think the T2 profile was even nominated for the profile with the most contributers at one point becaue of the ping-ponging.

    I never said I was going to bother submitting the change, just that I was felt it was the correct choice based on the rules and that I changed it in my local DB.  There's nothing wrong with a bit of discussion.    Especially since now it mentions and (hopefully) puts to rest this particlar profiles history in these forums.
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