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Got the drive. Spiffy. Has all the SW and cables. But .....

- My video card was not compaible (I had thought it was)
- My HTPC is not fast enough (I had thought it was) Edit: I might be OK on this after all.

Word to the wise ... (I'll post some more details of my installation issues later)

Once resolved, it will be awesome - alerady the portions of 5th Element that I have gotten to play have me drooling for more .... but I gotta upgrade the CPU (a 3GHZ P4 HT with 1.5 GB ram - it's too slow!). CyberLink test program calls for minimum 3.2 GHZ P4 or 3.0 GHZ Pentium D. Edit: A good video card saved the day I think. Maybe it wasn't configured for the HW acceleration when I first tried it - now all seems OK.

I have 2 HTPCs, one with AGP bus and one with PCIe. I bought two cards - ATI HD2600 Pro on sale at BestBuy for $99 each. Now everything passes the CyberLink compatibility test except the CPU power of my baby HTPC. And sure enough, the playback is jerky. Now to test everything on my adult PCIe bus HTPC upstairs. Can't wait ...

Edit: Upstairs HTPC has plenty of jiuce to spare (whew!). In fact I had VLC player and Cyberlink Ultra playing the same DVD simultaneously from the same LG drive - get this, USB attached using that cool gizmo that interfaces anything to USB 2.0. Cyberlink with it's auto recognition of ATI HW acceleration blew away VLC player. I was using a 8-9 mB/s good quality DVD. It upscaled to a very nice picture indeed - not HD of course, but the best I have ever seen a regular DVD. Don't think a 5 mB/s style DVD would look as good.

My test BD 5th Element was running at about 20-30 mB/s and was stunning as you would expect.

My only regret in all of this is that I didn't plan well when I bought my original ATI 1050X cards - they don't do HD. But the HD2600 Pro makes everything look amazing - my PC screen, regular DVDs and of course the BD. So I didn't get away as cheaply as I expected. Now I even have to upgrade one of my HTPCs - but the results really are quite nice.

Thanks once again for the tip on the LG drive. Works well, comes with all the SW and cables, and runs smoothly and quietly hooked up as SATA or even over one of those SATA-USB gadgets. I'm happy. 
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I would not go by the minimum, I have a core 2 dual 2.13 GHz (minimum is 1.8) and everything except Sunshine plays fine running at about 75% cpu.

Sunshine is a pig, most of it will play ok but a few sequences hit 100% cpu and playback is not smooth. It's not even high action scenes that bog, the first one is just the crew sitting around the table eating. I had to overclock the cpu to 2.4 to get smooth playback. I'm guessing it's the BD+ that's eating all the extra cpu cycles but this is the only BD+ title I have. 

Video is an ATI  x1950pro, 2 GB RAM.
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Might be a good time (last week might have been better) to mention the Cyberlink's BDHD Advisor.  It's free and will tell you if it thinks some component(s) won't support HDCP.  When i ran it it knew my video card wouldn't cut it and it was right.  When i replaced the card with a newer one (Asus [nVidia] 8500) the tool recognized it, as did PowerDVD fortunately.

It still thinks my Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz is marginal.    I haven't watched a whole movie on the PC yet so it might be right.  I was amused by the the fact that the biggest CPU hog so far was the menus on the BD Die Hard films.  Their animated menus firewall the CPUs.  Actually watching the movies the CPU is well below 50%. Go figure.
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Received and installed my drive today. I have only played HD DVD so far, but they look fantastic. A couple of minor annoyances however:

I have to disable my office VGA monitor in order to play back the HDCP content on my HT LCD. Not a huge issue, I am using a quick profile to diable the monitor and change the resolution to the native for my LCD and back again. One quick click and I am good to go.

I was disapointed to find that Power DVD will not output multi-channel sound via the HDMI. I had to run a separate coaxial cable for the 5.1 audio....and because it is spdif I will not be able to enjoy the full lossless glory, but am stuck with the boring old DD or DTS core. 

Still at $235 CDN for a blu ray/hd dvd combo drive I am not complaining...much. 

Now when can I start contributing HD Disc IDs? 

Now I am off to Future Shop to buy my very first Blu Ray. I am thinking "Across the Universe"
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Stupid Blu Ray.

So here I am all psyched to watch my first blu ray disc, a shiny new copy of Across the Universe. I load the disc, the menu loads nicely then BAM, a whole lot of nothing.

The menu sits there all pretty, cycling endlessly, but the options are either completely non-responsive or say "Prohibited" when I click on them. From what I can gather even though I fully updated Power DVD, I will probably need to wait weeks for yet another new patch for Power DVD before this title becomes playable. If I go by the recent issues users have had with discs like 3:10 to Yuma and Live Free or Die Hard, that is. What kind of deranged monkey designed a system that requires you to wait weeks after buying a disc before being able to play it?

On the plus side, the catalogue Blu Ray discs I also purchased today as well as every HD DVD I threw in the drive all played beautifully.
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I bought a PS3, with a free Spiderman 3 which plays just fine on the PS3 but fails immediately when attempting to play in PowerDVD on my LG ROM drive.

In my case i'm lucky it was a movie i didn't want to watch again anyway.
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Hi Guys,

For you information - I've got the LG GGW-H20L and after initial easy install of drive and a few test SD discs everthing looked good. On trying BD Deja-Vu and Spiderman 3 however problems getting past menus and sometimes just no picture at all although it looked like disc was still playing. Upgrade of firmware to Y02 however seems to have cured all problems so far.
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I bought a PS3, with a free Spiderman 3 which plays just fine on the PS3 but fails immediately when attempting to play in PowerDVD on my LG ROM drive.

In my case i'm lucky it was a movie i didn't want to watch again anyway.
Sorry to hear about that tweeter ... but how about a little good news with the bad?

I took another shot at my baby HTPC (3GHZ P4 HT, 1.5 GB with MCE 2005) and BAM! BD 5th Element smooth as silk! This is one happy camper now. And again, I didn't even pop the covers to hook up via SATA. I just plugged into my USB gadget. Now I can use my drive on both machines. Sweeeeeet!

Edit: Oh yeah, I tried plugging into the dual USB ports on my XBOX 360. No go ... (well, duh). But some geek will come up with the drivers, right? 

Edit: I forgot the ATI HD 2600 Pro video card in the config. The built-in HW HD support probably is the thing which lets my flea-powered PC do this.

Edit: Went back to Bestbuy and got credit for a whole bunch of coupons that were in my mailbox same day I came home with my video cards. Added $10 to the savings and came home with 3 more sale-priced titles. Now up to 2 HD and 5 BD (ok, ok, but for me that's a big investment).

So far, only one title, Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut (BD) has failed to play. Now I have to figure out what kind of update I need and where to get it - the LG drive is already up to date at firmware 1.02. Well while I was typing that, PowerDVD 7.3 upgrade was downloading. Just installed it and problem solved. Oh my ... Kidman in HD ...
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I bought another couple BD titles today, including 3:10 to Yuma. I was pleased to see that the latest PowerDVD patch let me play it just fine. No word back yet from Cyberlink on when I will be able to play Across the Universe
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I also have the LG GGC-H20L with Cyberlink PDVD. Everything works fine on HD and BD, but the OEM Version of PDVD supports only 2 Channel Sound. The BD doesn`t support mouse, so the start of Spiderman 3 works only with a keyboard.
Is there any way to support 5.1 Sound? Patch, filechange or upgrade of PDVD?
Thanks in advance
Heinz
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Do you mean 5.1 over HDMI? Because the full retail version does not support that either from what I have read. The OEM version that came with my drive supports multi-channel analog as well as SPDIF. I use SPDIF because my home theatre set-up is in another room from my computer and I don't fancy running all those cables. From what I have read you will actually get better sound from the analog because it allows for the full scope of the lossless audio tracks, much as you would from a stand-alone player using analog instead of SPDIF (HDMI is still preferable). SPDIF will only transmit the 'core' of the track, which is the still fine DD & DTS standards we have grown used to with DVD. In the case of Blu Ray and uncompressed PCM, I have found that all you will get over SPDIF is the left & Right channels.

I also heard a rumour that Power DVD will be adding support for full HDMI 5.1 audio in version 8. I will be pleased if true.
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I also have the LG GGC-H20L with Cyberlink PDVD. Everything works fine on HD and BD, but the OEM Version of PDVD supports only 2 Channel Sound. The BD doesn`t support mouse, so the start of Spiderman 3 works only with a keyboard.
Is there any way to support 5.1 Sound? Patch, filechange or upgrade of PDVD?
Thanks in advance
Heinz
I cautiously hit the Upgrade button on the OEM product and it took me to a download of what appeared to be the retail 7.3. I went ahead and installed it, and as I mentioned before, my problem with playing one of my titles went away. Far as I can tell, there are no time limitations or other restrictions - seems to be a full retail upgrade. Let me know if you try it.

I should mention that I had a prior version of PowerDVD 7 installed - perhaps that's why I got the upgrade. Not sure.
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I should mention that I had a prior version of PowerDVD 7 installed - perhaps that's why I got the upgrade. Not sure.

When I tried to install the latest upgrade I just got an error message that I didn't have a previous version of power DVD installed or it was out of date.

I was able to install the upgrade from the LG suite update page but it's several build numbers behind the retail version.
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Mine took the update straight from the Cyberlink updater. So far the only disc I cannot play is Across the Universse.
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The LG cyberlink updater only shows me build 3516. But everything I have so far works with it, including Sunshine.
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Do you mean 5.1 over HDMI? Because the full retail version does not support that either from what I have read. The OEM version that came with my drive supports multi-channel analog as well as SPDIF. I use SPDIF because my home theatre set-up is in another room from my computer and I don't fancy running all those cables. From what I have read you will actually get better sound from the analog because it allows for the full scope of the lossless audio tracks, much as you would from a stand-alone player using analog instead of SPDIF (HDMI is still preferable). SPDIF will only transmit the 'core' of the track, which is the still fine DD & DTS standards we have grown used to with DVD. In the case of Blu Ray and uncompressed PCM, I have found that all you will get over SPDIF is the left & Right channels.

I also heard a rumour that Power DVD will be adding support for full HDMI 5.1 audio in version 8. I will be pleased if true.


I tried to instal a downloaded update, but I got an error message. So I used the intern update button and got a Version 7.3.
In the right corner of the window PDVD shows "PowerDVD BD+HD 2CH". I get no sound with HDMI (maybe a wrong adapter DVI->HDMI), so I use a coax (chinch) to connect my Onkyo. The Display also shows "Stereo".
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