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That's interesting.
After having thought about it, I have come to agree with you and thus change my vote in this poll. Now I vote option "as credited f.e. Gong Li".
The reason is that there is no easy way to fit such Chinese names in the name fields of the program, unless we allow for sort of a "Chinese exception", because they reverse their first and last name, and just follow the order on screen regardless of the ideal parsing order.
Besides, if she is consistently credited as Gong Li, as you say, there would be no duplicates, provided that we all enter the data as on screen and do not copy from IMDb!

I also just realised that I should change my vote 
I agree, that "ideally" the program should try to fit the proper first name and last name into the proper fields and use the credited as feature whenever the names are reversed.
But the vagueness of the rules on the international handling of names and diversity of the user background are causing too much confusion.

So it may seems illogical to have Gong Li parsed as First name = Gong and Last Name = Li.  But it's seems to be the only thing easy enough to keep the data consistent across all the profiles.

Amen to that!

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Once again it is no harder than you wish to make it. Sadly soem wish to make it very diffiocult.

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It is about time to bring this up again. Nothing from Ken on this in the meantime  , but a user changing profiles with all chinese actors using the clt which I personally feel is wrong.

I'd hate to think how inaccurate the CLT is when it comes to Chinese names. It's bad enough with Western names, but when we've had people entering data the way they think is best, as opposed to a definitive answer from Invelos, the results are going to be way off!

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It is about time to bring this up again. Nothing from Ken on this in the meantime  , but a user changing profiles with all chinese actors using the clt which I personally feel is wrong.

I'd hate to think how inaccurate the CLT is when it comes to Chinese names. It's bad enough with Western names, but when we've had people entering data the way they think is best, as opposed to a definitive answer from Invelos, the results are going to be way off!

Tell me about it: I often discover five, six or even more versions of an actor's name.

1. FAMILY NAME/GIVEN NAME (with a dash)
2. FAMILY NAME/GIVEN NAME (without a dash)
3. GIVEN NAME (without a dash)/FAMILY NAME
4. GIVEN NAME (with a dash)/FAMILY NAME
5+. A Three-Way parsing of the name, sometimes even completely wrong, since the user didn't know what they were doing, so that the family name ends up in the middle and the given name is split between first and last!

It's a nightmare to sort out when you have a huge Asian collection.  This is mainly Hong Kong and Korean films, though.  Japanese titles, for the most part, seem to Westernize the names in the credits, so we rarely see something like Miike Takashi, which is why he is known in the West as Takashi Miike.  Chow Yun-fat was not credited as Yun-fat Chow, so the proper version of his name is how the fans learned it.

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I really don't understand the problem. Do people here lose sleep over this? Do they lay awake at night, tossing and turning thinking, "The database is wrong! The database is wrong!!! Her name is Li Gong NOT Gong Li!!!". For contribution purposes enter the name as credited per the rules. For your local and your online collection, enter the names any way you wish and lock the profiles. If someone comes along and submits a profile change that you disagree with, vote NO, state your reason in the comments and move on. You'll sleep better.

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I don't think anyone is losing sleep over the issue.  Looking for an answer, especially one that has never come in all the months of arguing, is quite reasonable.  Going Wild West-style, "anything goes", as you propose, is not an answer.  It just leads to more chaos.  A simple clarification can let everyone know where the rules stand on the issue.

"Going Wild West-style, "anything goes", as I propose??? Where did you get that from my post? Didn't I just say "For contribution purposes enter the name as credited per the rules?

I am going to go sit in a corner and have a nervous breakdown.

What don't these people not understand.

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Wrong, North. I understand the Asian problem perfectly. I also understand the Rules, what is behind them and what the intent is...whether you like it or not. My position remains precis3ely as it always has been, i don't give a crap what the culture says...we say AS CREDITED PERIOD. What the user wants to do locally is his business, what he wants to Contribute is business of the Rules.

I have explained it repeatedly, you don't like the explanation...TOUGH.

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What it proves it what the intent was when I designed it, the cultural problem was NOT relevant, the relevant issue was how the data was displayed ON SCREEN.

What you describe as not understanding, is YOU simply refusing to understand or accept the design. Culture was and remains TOTALLY irrelevant. My comment to you is much the same as what i made to surfeur. We have designed a standard, the fact th e you don't like it is simply too bad. If you choose to ignore it...FINE...do whatever you want to LOCALLY. The design of the system has not changed, it is based on film crediting NOT culture...anybodys culture.

You even try to apply some culturtal norm to First Name, Middle name and last Name and you have been told before they are merely positional terms, NOT the cultural terms you want apply.

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