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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is a method to correct what you call errors, Charlie and its through the Alias system. I am not the one who chooses how to the filmmamkers, I only deal with what they choose to do. It is not an error for them to to not put in a dash or whatever. If you believe it is then I suggest you go to the source both the filmmakers and the actors. Helena Bonham-Carter has a contract for EVERY film she works on and part of that contract spells out exactly how she is to be credited. If she chooses to be credited as HBC then how is that an error, it was her choice. The only person calling it an error is YOU. Actor sometimes choose to be credited by another name entirely that is NOT a mistake, except in your mind. It is correct data and dealt with as On Screen, the Alias system allows for your "correction":
You get all worked up over what you see as an error, you make it sound almost like you are personally vested in what you view and as an error and it should be fixed your way regardless of what the Screen data says. No one has yet addressed that one of the functions of the Alias system is precisely this issue.
HB-C credited As HBC. God help us if she ever drops the Bonham or makes it simply a B.
We have an Alias system...use it.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip...if you don't know the language or convention you input what you see. Then if someone with more knowledge comes along...they will fix it so it follows the proper language conventions. No big deal. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree. Contribute what you can to the best of your ability. It's called a "partial contribution". Someone else will come along later and fix/expand it. It's what has happened in the past and will keep happening in the future. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bodi: Quote:
Skip...if you don't know the language or convention you input what you see. Then if someone with more knowledge comes along...they will fix it so it follows the proper language conventions. No big deal. Exactly and that is the Alias system, Bodi.<shrugs> Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
I agree. Contribute what you can to the best of your ability. It's called a "partial contribution". Someone else will come along later and fix/expand it. It's what has happened in the past and will keep happening in the future. Doc: That is not what Gerri said, or at least not the way i read it. She didn't allow wiggle room, she shut the door pretty tightly. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
I must disagree. I can still contribute, and even for lack of knowledge still contribute the name in (Americized) capitalization rules.
It will still be voted on and either approved or declined.
If approved, somebody will comealong and, with the proper knowledge and documentation correct it.
Also, as you have done, post comments with a no vote. Then the contribution should get changed and recontributed, as long as comments are justified...  You are correct. All Gerri's clarification did was prevent people from voting 'no' when a person uses a standard other than the American English standard that Skip wanted to apply. Very little, if anything, will change as far as contributions are concerned. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tlevel: Quote:
I wonder if all the negative reaction to what Geri said is the reason Ken and her don't get involved more in their own forums? Much as I hate to agree with you, I do. People piss and moan that Ken and Gerri don't tell us what they want then, when they do, they piss and moan because they don't like it. They are dambed if they do, and dambed if they don't.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
HB-C credited As HBC. Her common name is Helena//Bonham Carter, and you know that. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Much as I hate to agree with you, I do. People piss and moan that Ken and Gerri don't tell us what they want then, when they do, they piss and moan because they don't like it. They are dambed if they do, and dambed if they don't. Only two users are upset about the clarification. Most users are grateful. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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HB-C credited As HBC.
Her common name is Helena//Bonham Carter, and you know that. I was addressing the sp[ecific comment realtive to the hyphen, and used the first name that came to mind, you clearly did not understand that. BTW Rho I a not upset about it. Do I think its a mistake...yes. but gerri made her statement, I am merely dealing with how i read it. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Exactly and that is the Alias system Alias system? That's a system in which we could give a name the cast/crew is also known as, but that's not what the credited as system is to be used for. The common name represents the most credited name and the credited as name represents the name used in the credits. We are not supposed to replace any of those with an AKA name. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
If you believe it is then I suggest you go to the source both the filmmakers and the actors. Helena Bonham-Carter has a contract for EVERY film she works on and part of that contract spells out exactly how she is to be credited. If she chooses to be credited as HBC then how is that an error, it was her choice. You keep saying this, and it is absolute and utter rubbish! Edit: this got me a negative reputation vote?! Pointing out an obvious lie that you've plucked out of thin air and that you keep repeating to attach some "weight" to your point of view? I'm sorry, but I'm going to stick with it: it's blatantly untrue. I'm not saying it doesn't ever happen, I'm saying that there's no such section in 95% of all acting contracts. And yes, I do speak from my own experience. Do you? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 23, 2007 |  Posts: 317 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've got an idea. We all look for a case where this clarification actually kicks in a makes a difference (i.e. credits in capitals which are likely to be affected). Until we've got list of five films where this ruling actually makes a difference, we all stop arguing? Plan? Stuart  | | | This is a sig... ... ... yay...
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
those are also not standard to the Standard Capitalisation Rules of Western Languages not?
In Danish we use the personal pronouns ‘De’, ‘Dem’, ‘I’, ‘Jeres’, ‘Deres’ for formal address which are capitalised even when they appear mid-sentence. Use of capitalisation is similar to English, but there is no capitalisation in headings. A capital is used after a colon. In bulleted lists, the first letter is capitalised each time. Dates, weekdays and months are not capitalised. There is no "Standard Capitalisation Rules of Western Languages", so it is as standard as any of the other individual rules.  And now you mention it, the part: Quote:
there is no capitalisation in headings
is the point I made that many Danes do not know that capitalization of titles (besides the first workd and words that would be capitalized on their own) is optional. It is recommended not to capitalize long titles, while short titles are typically written with capitals (for example the New Testament "Det Nye Testamente"). And no, there is no clear definition of "short" and "long" but "Retskrivningsordbogen" (the official source for spelling and grammer rules) do give some exampels. | | | Regards
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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I wonder if all the negative reaction to what Geri said is the reason Ken and her don't get involved more in their own forums?
Much as I hate to agree with you, I do. People piss and moan that Ken and Gerri don't tell us what they want then, when they do, they piss and moan because they don't like it. They are dambed if they do, and dambed if they don't. Hear Hear!! (except I would say it is damned, not dambed  perhaps that is local spelling ) Thankyou Gerri for clarifying the rule, whether everyone likes it or not it is at least very clear to all now. | | |  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
All that Gerri has done with this ruling is discouraged many users from Contributing, those who do not have the knowledge to understand the various intenational naming conventions, let alone documenting and not just assuming someone's nationality have now been locked out of Contributing. She made no allowances, you either have the knowledge and can back it up or you need not Contribute. Sorry Gerri, that is what you said in essence.
Joe Six-Pack need not apply. 
This is nonsense. Anyone that is "unaware" of the correct way to de-capitalize the name will simply do it the way they think it should be done, and then someone with the "expert" knowledge will fix it later. Big deal! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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