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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't mind incomplete pre-release profiles in the database. What I do mind is complete and obvious garbage in new and pre-release profiles copied straight from IMDb or other illegal sources, usually containing a large chunk of undocumented uncredited actors. That this kind of junk is still approved by the screeners puzzles me when I sometimes struggle to get even small corrections approved.  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Frankly, I prefer incomplete pre-release profiles. There is a little flaw in Profiler conventions that makes me crazy. The first person in can put any amount of crap into a profile they want and it likely gets approved on the theory that it can be adjusted later and something is better than nothing. However, once later comes, we are obligated to offer evidence to justify any changes. In particular, I'm talking about uncredited cast members. Now the goofball who slung that crap up there initially doesn't have to offer any evidence to include it but I'm supposed to do research for it's removal. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | I also find the wishlist and pre-release titles quite useful. The Upcoming Releases function in the program is invaluable. I do often find see many errors which do have to be corrected when the titles actually get released though, but that's only a small gripe.  What's the consenus on pre-release titles that were actually cancelled and never actually released? Submit a contribution request for removal from the database? | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kat:
I just ignore them annd leave them alone, I have never seen one permanently pulled from release, I'm sure they are out there. But sooner or later most titles get back on the calendar.
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Frankly, I prefer incomplete pre-release profiles. There is a little flaw in Profiler conventions that makes me crazy. The first person in can put any amount of crap into a profile they want and it likely gets approved on the theory that it can be adjusted later and something is better than nothing. However, once later comes, we are obligated to offer evidence to justify any changes. In particular, I'm talking about uncredited cast members. Now the goofball who slung that crap up there initially doesn't have to offer any evidence to include it but I'm supposed to do research for it's removal. Not always true. I bought a widescreen movie that the upc number (profile) was not in the system but it had another profile in the system that was complet and excepted with full documentation. I copied and verified the cast, crew, studios, etc. with my copy. The already excepted profile had two uncredited cast members that where verified. I submitted my profile as a new profile and in my notes I stated that all info came from a already excepted profile (I submitted the upc) and verified with my copy. It was rejected by the screeners do to the uncredited cast. So I had to do the research on the uncredited cast all over again. On a pre-release there should be no cast or crew added anyway. |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Pre-Release data is nice and can and will be updated as soon as the DVD is out I do not see a problem with that. Just my 2 cents | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dragon 6: Quote:
Quoting mdnitoil:
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Frankly, I prefer incomplete pre-release profiles. There is a little flaw in Profiler conventions that makes me crazy. The first person in can put any amount of crap into a profile they want and it likely gets approved on the theory that it can be adjusted later and something is better than nothing. However, once later comes, we are obligated to offer evidence to justify any changes. In particular, I'm talking about uncredited cast members. Now the goofball who slung that crap up there initially doesn't have to offer any evidence to include it but I'm supposed to do research for it's removal.
Not always true. I bought a widescreen movie that the upc number (profile) was not in the system but it had another profile in the system that was complet and excepted with full documentation. I copied and verified the cast, crew, studios, etc. with my copy. The already excepted profile had two uncredited cast members that where verified.
I submitted my profile as a new profile and in my notes I stated that all info came from a already excepted profile (I submitted the upc) and verified with my copy. It was rejected by the screeners do to the uncredited cast. So I had to do the research on the uncredited cast all over again.
On a pre-release there should be no cast or crew added anyway. Ah, well that's welcome news indeed. I presume this is a relatively new occurence since I was burned by this as recently as the end of March. Regardless, I'm glad to see it. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dragon 6: Quote:
On a pre-release there should be no cast or crew added anyway. I think it's fair to include the major cast (with no role names) such as might be available in the pre-release publicity. Sometimes I make a decision on whether I want to make a DVD purchase based on who appears in the film. There are a lot of new titles coming out that didn't have a very wide theatrical release (if any) and sometimes I am attracted by who is in the film. @dan Sorry, I don't agree with your stand on pre-release profiles. It's too bad you might have a sketchy amount of data to work with instead of a blank slate. I see it differently -- with a pre-release profile there's a certain amount of information that I only have to verify, not key in personally. It takes less work to edit an existing profile than to do one from scratch even with the necessary verification. I don't see what harm is done by someone who provides a shell from which you can do your complete profile. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Reinforcing what Ken said. I have said for THREE years, no this is not a NEW discussion despite what some might believe, that I have no problem listing some major pesronnel. For example from memory I can tell you that Peter Jackson Directed Lord of the Rings, and major stars were Elijah Wood, Sean Astin, Orlando Bloom and Liv Tyler, I would not list Roles because I do not remember how they were listed in the film credits
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| Registered: December 16, 2007 |  Posts: 926 |
| | Posted: | | | | But what about (what I call) post-release contributions? I have here A Ravishing Idiot (R2) f.i., it was released in 2005 and not in the database yet. Should this be added to the database or not?
It's still for sale and in the catalogue of the distributor. | | | | Last edited: by railroaded |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting railroaded: Quote:
But what about (what I call) post-release contributions? I have here A Ravishing Idiot (R2) f.i., it was released in 2005 and not in the database yet. Should this be added to the database or not?
It's still for sale and in the catalogue of the distributor. Yep, it can be added if it's an official release. Not everything gets into the database before the actual release date...sometimes not until long afterwards. | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | In order to prevent users to submit information who do not use the DVD itself as the authoritative source for information, pre-release contributions should not be allowed. Furthermore, submitting new profiles and changes to accepted profiles should only be possible with an inserted disc, and the containing ID should always be sent as a verification method. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
In order to prevent users to submit information who do not use the DVD itself as the authoritative source for information, pre-release contributions should not be allowed. Furthermore, submitting new profiles and changes to accepted profiles should only be possible with an inserted disc, and the containing ID should always be sent as a verification method. I totally disagree.. If some people want to have the pre-release info what right have you to deny them that. Yes they should be a limit as to what can actually be submitted as a pre-release. Title Release Date EAN / UPC SRP Region but as for Audio/Video/Cast/Crew these item you can only get from the DVD, so should not be submitted until varified. What's the point of adding cast when anything could happen in the mean time, case in point Batman: The Dark Knight - Heath Ledger... Steve |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
In order to prevent users to submit information who do not use the DVD itself as the authoritative source for information, pre-release contributions should not be allowed. Furthermore, submitting new profiles and changes to accepted profiles should only be possible with an inserted disc, and the containing ID should always be sent as a verification method. I find pre-release information invaluable for my wishlist. And I also add very sketchy information about films / series that are not on DVD just so I can keep an eye out in case they may appear one day (just locally) | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
In order to prevent users to submit information who do not use the DVD itself as the authoritative source for information, pre-release contributions should not be allowed. Furthermore, submitting new profiles and changes to accepted profiles should only be possible with an inserted disc, and the containing ID should always be sent as a verification method. Martin, you don't want CLT to be corrected with the correct data? There are also problems with your proposal: Disc-Id can have several EAN for the same titleseveral EAN for different titleEAN can have several Disc-Id's And what if your Disc-Id is not in the database for a contributed DVD, no more updates for you  | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Martin, you don't want CLT to be corrected with the correct data?
...And what if your Disc-Id is not in the database for a contributed DVD, no more updates for you No, I have no intention in correcting profiles of DVDs I do not own. And I did not say that a sent ID needed to be equal to the already submitted one(s). The ID need only to be sent for comparison in the evaluation screen so users and screeners can make a better judgement if a contribution is legit. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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