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 Fixing an obvious error in the end credits (Locked) |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Quite frankly, its equally silly to say that Himself played Jabba the Hut. That's why the only one who can play Jabba the Hutt is Jabba the Hutt himself, thus Jabba the Hutt [Himself] as Jabba the Hutt. Jabba the Hutt being the name for all the people who made his appearance possible. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Your logic is flawed on so many levels I don't know where to begin so I will try and keep it simple.
If we can't credit a fictional character as playing herself, we sure as heck can't credit 'herself' as playing that character. I mean, who is this mysterious actress named 'herself'?
I will try to keep it simple too. The only time someone really can play herself is when she's not someones imagination. For instance you could see if I was playing with myself, but you can not see if my imaginary friend was playing with herself.  You see Pooka's too?  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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Quoting skipnet50:
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And I have explained the way to do it. That PREVENTS the userbased interpretation of data AND deals with the data in its proper form (uncredited) AND solves the Alias issue.
Skip
You've explained how you would do it. How can you justify voting 'no' on Tim's contribution which is done exactly the way Ken directed it to be done? 
Very simple, James. Tim is blatantly violating the Rules which terll us to list the data exacvtly as it appears On Screen PERIOD. End of subject. Tim like some other users does not want to follow the Rules, he instead wants to be able to apply HIS user interpretation of the data.
Skip Interesting that you don't comment on the fact that the contribution is exactly as Ken Cole has directed it should be. It seems that you can't explain how you can vote against a contribution that follows a direct example given by the author of both the program and the rule in question. How about taking your own advice? I'll leave you with your own words: (links are to rules committee threads and probably won't work unless you have access to that forum) Quoting skipnet50:Quote:
I am stunned that Ken will make a decision and users will have the temerity to argue with him about it. I am so shocked about this that I don't enen posses the words to express my total disgust. I know that before this particular experience, had Ken made a different decision, I certainly would not have whined about it. But as I said you HAVE very definitely taught me a lesson. I am not only disappointed but I am embarrassed by this behavior.
And Ken got it RIGHT. Quoting skipnet50:Quote:
But it seems to me to be academic. Your description is simply a word play that allows for continued debate. If Ken has made his decision, then the question is irrelevant and no debate is needed on that aspect of it, those who believe it to be a bad rule have nothing to debate.
I will reiterate,my sadness over the behavior being exhibited, had Ken come up with some other ruling, it would not change my opinion of the position I have taken, and that I can appreciate but to go on about it in what in my view is an attempt to dictate to Ken what he will do with HIS program is just abominable. I think we all need to step back and realize just how lucky we are to have the access that we have, Ken is under no obligation to listen to us, try and tell Bill Gates how to develop Windows or Steven Jobs what to do with the MAC and its OS., or just about any other developer for that matter. We are very lucky indeed. Quoting skipnet50:Quote:
Unlike some users here I will go where Ken goes and make whatever additional choices I feel I need to make for myself. This one is not an issue of two programmer's having a different view of the solution, so you won't hear a word, one way or the other. I am just shocked at what I view as some very child-like behavior | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | James: With all due respect, you don't know very much, sir. Or perhaps you think you do but you really don't. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Then with equal respect, why don't you tell us how you can vote no on a submission that follows Ken's instructions to the letter? Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Sandra Bullock [Ida Flammenbaum] as Herself is correct. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | All in good time, north, all in good time.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
All in good time, north, all in good time.
Skip So you are saying that all of us can vote however we liike and tell that we'll explain later???? You are the most two faced man I know  |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kulji, be fair, give him time to think of a reason... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
Quoting mdnitoil:
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Quite frankly, its equally silly to say that Himself played Jabba the Hut.
That's why the only one who can play Jabba the Hutt is Jabba the Hutt himself, thus Jabba the Hutt [Himself] as Jabba the Hutt. Jabba the Hutt being the name for all the people who made his appearance possible. Wait, wait, wait. I thought you said a fictional character couldn't play themselves because they do not exist? As I told Ken, my philosophy has always been KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid). Entering the name into the 'name' field, whether or not it is a fictional name, does just that. To do it any other way is counterintuitive. JMHO | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
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| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Kulji, be fair, give him time to think of a reason... Thinking of a reason? Knowing Skip, I imagine he's just firing of an endless stream of blatant lies to Ken in a bid to convince him that I am DVD Profiler's number one enemy, while it's really the other way around, obviously... For me this is all just about accurate and useful data, and nothing else. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,554 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Knowing Skip, I imagine he's just firing of an endless stream of blatant lies to Ken in a bid to convince him that I am DVD Profiler's number one enemy, while it's really the other way around, obviously... You mean Skip is DVD Profiler's number one enemy? Oh, far from, I would say. Although in this case he seems to have painted himself into a corner that it will take some pretty advanced wiggling to get out of. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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Kulji, be fair, give him time to think of a reason...
Thinking of a reason? Knowing Skip, I imagine he's just firing of an endless stream of blatant lies to Ken in a bid to convince him that I am DVD Profiler's number one enemy, while it's really the other way around, obviously... For me this is all just about accurate and useful data, and nothing else. So insulting and offensive it does not even merit a reply.  No corner at all, Gunnar, Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Daddy DVD:
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what if Robert Klein was erroneously spelled as "Robert Kleinn" here? That's what the "credited as" feature is meant for: to deal with name variants. That should be entered as "Robert Klein [Robert Kleinn] as Himself".
Eh no, then it should be entered as: Robert Klein [Himself] as Robert Kleinn, because Himself is presented as a name and Robert Klein as a role.
No!! "Robert Klein" is the name and "Himself" is the role name. Again, you're abusing the "credited as" feature to deal with a formatting issue, and as a result of that behaviour, you're actually hurting the CLT results for the actors involved. And, as I've said before: I can easily supply a dozen of such examples where these are the ONLY acting credits for the people involved. Based on this twisted logic, "Himself" would be the "common name" for each of them, resulting in their names being completely eliminated from DVD Profiler. Or do those rules ("use the most-credited form") suddenly don't apply anymore? Come on: you can't have it both ways.
I suggest that you correctly recognize the actor name as the "name" and "Himself" as the role name, and use the fields appropriately, but if you keep insisting that "Himself" really is the actor name, then the rules with regards to actor names apply, including "use the most-credited form for the actor's name". If everything else fails to convince you, at least this should tell you you're making a mistake. I want to remind Tim that his very first post in this thread was about completely ignoring what the Rules said to do. And this has been his consistent desire. While my posts from the FIRST have been consistent with what the Rules say to do. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | I see that I wasn't wrong about those blatant lies... Not for a second have I ignored any part of the rules - I've always followed them to the letter. I really think everyone here has a pretty good picture of who it is that's acting against the rules, and against Ken's express instructions. Even worse: your comment above shows that you clearly don't even understand what the rules say. Let me suggest you calmly read this entire thread all over again - I still have a shimmer of hope that at some point you'll finally "see the light", so to speak. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | What is a lie there, Tim. The Rules say:
"For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited."
But you chose to take a position that in was in direct violation of the Rules form the beginning. I will not be so insulting as to call you a liar, I simply point out the direct evidence that you went against the Rules from the beginning in favor of USER-interpretation of how YOU think it should be. My position has been the same for three years, follow the Rules, anything else is local. I tried to acknowledge what you wanted to achieve and treied to come up with an answer but that does not violate the Rules but you wanted YOUR interpretation and to hell with what the Rules said. So now you stoop to insulting, baiting and downright nasty comments...a real shame, Tim.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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