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  | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
I agree with almost everything you stated. The only thing we differ on is how much should be taken off for that. Actually, I don't even strongly disagree with that. I think a 1 star deduction might just be considered fair. Wow, if this were a year back... What can I say -- cheers.  Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
So, to the average user who does use the occasional review to guide a purchase, maybe particularly a decision between DVD or Blu Ray purchase, what would be good review places to look at? Whiggles. He is just the "right amount" of technical (has a brother who recently encoded a DVD), the only problem really is that he doesn't review everything. And this list is very popular: HD Image Quality Rankingshttp://whiggles.landofwhimsy.com/writings/hdimage.html | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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| | Registered: June 27, 2007 |  Posts: 2,049 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
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Hometheaterspot.com, HighDefDigest, DVD Talk, DVD Authority, TheManRoom, DVDTOWN, Blu-ray.com, etc rank Pan's Labyrinth highly (those that reviewed it).
So, to the average user who does use the occasional review to guide a purchase, maybe particularly a decision between DVD or Blu Ray purchase, what would be good review places to look at?
I currently consult DVD Talk, Blu-ray.com and HiDefDigest and then kind of mediate the result.
Of course, on certain films a good portion of gut feeling and personal preference of the film may support a pro-purchase decision despite mediocre reviews. After all, there is probably few Blu rays which boast image far worse than their DVD counter parts...? That's a good tactic. Usually when reading more than one review you will find some sort of consensus. Also checking out the forums might help. I sure which I did that before buying some of my numerous HD Titles. I only sent 1 back so far though. Which was the german BD of "Triple X". | | | | Check out my Youtube channel under https://www.youtube.com/user/alittleolder |
| | Registered: June 27, 2007 | | Posts: 2,049 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Erik: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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I agree with almost everything you stated. The only thing we differ on is how much should be taken off for that. Actually, I don't even strongly disagree with that. I think a 1 star deduction might just be considered fair.
Wow, if this were a year back... What can I say -- cheers.
Quoting ya_shin:
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So, to the average user who does use the occasional review to guide a purchase, maybe particularly a decision between DVD or Blu Ray purchase, what would be good review places to look at?
Whiggles. He is just the "right amount" of technical (has a brother who recently encoded a DVD), the only problem really is that he doesn't review everything. And this list is very popular:
HD Image Quality Rankings
http://whiggles.landofwhimsy.com/writings/hdimage.html thanks for the link. Interesting! | | | | Check out my Youtube channel under https://www.youtube.com/user/alittleolder |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Quoting Mark Harrison:
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Of course most of the stuff they find is completely unnoticeable to me. I tend to get into the movie and ignore the little stuff. But I do enjoy knowing anyway. It has to be truly horrible before it starts bugging me.
That is actually what the DVD Savant guy from DVD Talk said... He mentioned it in regards to the bad reputation the Patton disc has... He said he wasn't bothered by the faults the nit pickers from the forums (fora?) are discussing... I can say when I watched Pan's Labyrinth over the weekend, I did immediately notice the "waxy" look on the faces. I can't honestly say if I would have noticed or not had I not known ahead of time about the issues. But 10 minutes later I was completely wrapped up in the story and not really worrying about how perfect the transfer was. I think too much over-analyzing the video/audio just takes away from the main purpose which is to get lost in in a piece of fiction for two hours. I still think this thread is a good idea. Especially for those really, really bad transfers. I just try to take it all with a grain of salt. Maybe that's because 99% of my HD purchases are titles new to me rather than DVD replacements. On those I'm a lot pickier. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Erik: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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I agree with almost everything you stated. The only thing we differ on is how much should be taken off for that. Actually, I don't even strongly disagree with that. I think a 1 star deduction might just be considered fair.
Wow, if this were a year back... What can I say -- cheers. If it's rational or accurate, I generally don't make waves. I haven't changed at all. It was good reading your argument. It made plenty sense. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
Quoting ya_shin:
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Quoting Mark Harrison:
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Of course most of the stuff they find is completely unnoticeable to me. I tend to get into the movie and ignore the little stuff. But I do enjoy knowing anyway. It has to be truly horrible before it starts bugging me.
That is actually what the DVD Savant guy from DVD Talk said... He mentioned it in regards to the bad reputation the Patton disc has... He said he wasn't bothered by the faults the nit pickers from the forums (fora?) are discussing...
I can say when I watched Pan's Labyrinth over the weekend, I did immediately notice the "waxy" look on the faces. I can't honestly say if I would have noticed or not had I not known ahead of time about the issues. But 10 minutes later I was completely wrapped up in the story and not really worrying about how perfect the transfer was. I think too much over-analyzing the video/audio just takes away from the main purpose which is to get lost in in a piece of fiction for two hours.
I still think this thread is a good idea. Especially for those really, really bad transfers. I just try to take it all with a grain of salt. Maybe that's because 99% of my HD purchases are titles new to me rather than DVD replacements. On those I'm a lot pickier. I think it's okay to notice the issues a movie has. It's good to identify them and make people notice. This puts pressure on the movie studios to correct those things going forward (if possible). This thread is definitely a good idea. It can help people if they are not aware of what they are purchasing. Of course, people need to determine if those individual issues bother them or not. If not, purchase away...safe in the knowledge that you have made an informed decision.  | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
I think it's okay to notice the issues a movie has. It's good to identify them and make people notice. This puts pressure on the movie studios to correct those things going forward (if possible). I enjoy educating myself and knowing what to look for. But I've seen some people say DNR = no sale. For me that's taking it too far. It's like saying you won't read a book that came from a used bookstore. I know Pan's Labyrinth has excessive DNR and could see it with my own eyes. But that didn't stop me from enjoying the story. Now if I already had the DVD, I might have skipped the Blu-ray. But I didn't have the DVD, so while the HD DVD isn't perfect, I still was able to recognize the problems, then move on and enjoy the movie. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. | | | | Last edited: by Mark Harrison |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 103 |
| | Posted: | | | | Reading through this thread and reading some of the links provided I can see double dips coming soon.
I agree with Asc that this thread is needed. Maybe a new thread that only lists the discs and use this thread to talk about it.
Why do studios release double dips? To improve on the quality, add more features, an extended cut, maybe, I may be going out on a limb here by saying this, for the money. Will the studios repeat what they did with SD with HD discs? The amount of crap transfer SD discs that are out there is staggering.
What makes people think HD will be any different? Logically one would say that by releasing subpar HD discs would steer people away from moving from SD to HD, however i don't think logic comes into play. It costs a lot of money to clean up a master but when they do it really pays. Look at the James Bond and Indy movies.
These are just some thoughts I have. I am not saying that the studios are purposely releasing poor quality HD discs so they can turn around and release another version later, but are they rushing to release titles on HD to increase the amount of HD discs that are availble. | | | | Last edited: by graymadder |
| | Registered: June 27, 2007 | | Posts: 2,049 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
Quoting ya_shin:
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Quoting Mark Harrison:
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Of course most of the stuff they find is completely unnoticeable to me. I tend to get into the movie and ignore the little stuff. But I do enjoy knowing anyway. It has to be truly horrible before it starts bugging me.
That is actually what the DVD Savant guy from DVD Talk said... He mentioned it in regards to the bad reputation the Patton disc has... He said he wasn't bothered by the faults the nit pickers from the forums (fora?) are discussing...
I can say when I watched Pan's Labyrinth over the weekend, I did immediately notice the "waxy" look on the faces. I can't honestly say if I would have noticed or not had I not known ahead of time about the issues. But 10 minutes later I was completely wrapped up in the story and not really worrying about how perfect the transfer was. I think too much over-analyzing the video/audio just takes away from the main purpose which is to get lost in in a piece of fiction for two hours.
I still think this thread is a good idea. Especially for those really, really bad transfers. I just try to take it all with a grain of salt. Maybe that's because 99% of my HD purchases are titles new to me rather than DVD replacements. On those I'm a lot pickier. thanks for the support. I think too, that this thread should exist to warn people of really, really bad transfers. Those that really take the fun away from watching the movie. Like I felt with "Robocop" (Some people disagree).. I think we talked about Pan's Labyrinth enough now. | | | | Check out my Youtube channel under https://www.youtube.com/user/alittleolder |
| | Registered: June 27, 2007 | | Posts: 2,049 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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I think it's okay to notice the issues a movie has. It's good to identify them and make people notice. This puts pressure on the movie studios to correct those things going forward (if possible).
I enjoy educating myself and knowing what to look for. But I've seen some people say DNR = no sale. For me that's taking it too far. It's like saying you won't read a book that came from a used bookstore. I know Pan's Labyrinth has excessive DNR and could see it with my own eyes. But that didn't stop me from enjoying the story. Now if I already had the DVD, I might have skipped the Blu-ray. But I didn't have the DVD, so while the HD DVD isn't perfect, I still was able to recognize the problems, then move on and enjoy the movie. That's the best approach. It's best to talk about movies where the PQ really distracts you from the viewing pleasure of the movie... | | | | Check out my Youtube channel under https://www.youtube.com/user/alittleolder |
| | Registered: June 27, 2007 | | Posts: 2,049 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting graymadder: Quote:
Reading through this thread and reading some of the links provided I can see double dips coming soon.
I agree with Asc that this thread is needed. Maybe a new thread that only lists the discs and use this thread to talk about it.
Why do studios release double dips? To improve on the quality, add more features, an extended cut, maybe, I may be going out on a limb here by saying this, for the money. Will the studios repeat what they did with SD with HD discs? The amount of crap transfer SD discs that are out there is staggering.
What makes people think HD will be any different? Logically one would say that by releasing subpar HD discs would steer people away from moving from SD to HD, however i don't think logic comes into play. It costs a lot of money to clean up a master but when they do it really pays. Look at the James Bond and Indy movies.
These are just some thoughts I have. I am not saying that the studios are purposely releasing poor quality HD discs so they can turn around and release another version later, but are they rushing to release titles on HD to increase the amount of HD discs that are availble. I personally would prefer it if we only had one HD Version of every movie. I wouldn't mind them double dipping with "Live Free or Die Hard".. The PG-13 Version is unbearable. (I know that's not the topic here but this title comes to mind).. | | | | Check out my Youtube channel under https://www.youtube.com/user/alittleolder |
| | Registered: June 27, 2007 | | Posts: 2,049 |
| | Posted: | | | | In the last couple of days we were mostly hovering around one title "Pan's Labyrinth". I'd say let's move on and talk about other titles. I am sure there are bad ones out there.
Like the "Ocean Trilogy" which I ordered and then heard it's supposed to be really bad. Let's see about that. But I am sure there are more movies with bad PQ out there.
Let's find some. But stick to the really bad ones. | | | | Check out my Youtube channel under https://www.youtube.com/user/alittleolder |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you all would like, I can include these titles in my sticky Snafu's topic, I can edit the title to include bad transfers.
Thoughts? | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting NewEnglander: Quote:
If you all would like, I can include these titles in my sticky Snafu's topic, I can edit the title to include bad transfers.
Thoughts? Sounds good to me. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Stephan.klose: Quote:
In the last couple of days we were mostly hovering around one title "Pan's Labyrinth". I'd say let's move on and talk about other titles. I am sure there are bad ones out there.
Like the "Ocean Trilogy" which I ordered and then heard it's supposed to be really bad. Let's see about that. But I am sure there are more movies with bad PQ out there.
Let's find some. But stick to the really bad ones. Yeah, Ocean's Twelve was the worse of the trilogy by FAR. I think the DVD version upconverted beats it (not the 640kbps audio though). | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,432 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
[...] I know Pan's Labyrinth has excessive DNR and could see it with my own eyes. But that didn't stop me from enjoying the story. Now if I already had the DVD, I might have skipped the Blu-ray. But I didn't have the DVD, so while the HD DVD isn't perfect, I still was able to recognize the problems, then move on and enjoy the movie. I haven't watched it yet, so can't tell you what I think about this particular one. I am just a little sad in this case as I thought the transfers should be the same; otherwise I could have bought the R2 release, as I believe it was region-free. So now I am stuck with the "worse disc" of the two and could have had the better one... (I actually considered double-dipping and selling the US one.) | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) | | | | Last edited: by nuoyaxin |
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