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Common Name of Editor Michael Hill
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Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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@ Giga: you've taken that out of context. Just read the rest of the thread you linked to. It was just about accents, and Ken came back to clarify that we're still simply after "the most-credited form".

Quoting Ken Cole, from the same thread:
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We're not making a policy change here, so don't read too much into this.  We maintain that the most commonly credited form of a person's name is how they should be entered in DVD Profiler, with the Credited As field used where this does not match.
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@ Giga: just read the few messages after the one you linked to - we're still simply after "the most-credited form".

Quoting Ken Cole, from the same thread:
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We're not making a policy change here, so don't read too much into this.  We maintain that the most commonly credited form of a person's name is how they should be entered in DVD Profiler, with the Credited As field used where this does not match.


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Note that the credit lookup tool is only a tool.  It is not intended to override properly documented actor names..

Ken did not say:
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we're still simply after "the most-credited form".


this Editor used both names, and there is proper documentation that he is now: Mike Hill.

If I follow your reasoning I could never have made these changes:
Michael Hopkins (NZ) <> Mike Hopkins (UK)
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Quoting Giga Wizard:
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Ken did not say:
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we're still simply after "the most-credited form".

He did, actually - quoting Ken Cole:
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We maintain that the most commonly credited form of a person's name is how they should be entered in DVD Profiler

That's it. Look: either we use "real", "correct" or "documented" common names in DVD Profiler, or we don't. Ken told us NOT to do that, but to use "the most commonly credited form", even if we know it's not the person's real name. So that's what I'm doing. Again, if there's a policy change, I'd love to hear about it, and I'll start contributing huge amounts of "correct" common names immediately. But as of yet, this is how I understand Ken's instructions.
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We are looking for the MOST COMMONLY credited name , not what somebody thinks is correct.

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Quoting T!M:
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Quoting Giga Wizard:
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Ken did not say:
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we're still simply after "the most-credited form".

He did, actually - quoting Ken Cole:
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We maintain that the most commonly credited form of a person's name is how they should be entered in DVD Profiler

That's it. Look: either we use "real", "correct" or "documented" common names in DVD Profiler, or we don't. Ken told us NOT to do that, but to use "the most commonly credited form", even if we know it's not the person's real name. So that's what I'm doing. Again, if there's a policy change, I'd love to hear about it, and I'll start contributing huge amounts of "correct" common names immediately. But as of yet, this is how I understand Ken's instructions.

Tim is absolutely right... Ken said on several occasions most credited form. Even said in one thread he wouldn't accept the actor's own signature over it.
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Why do we work with double standards?
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    First: there is no 1/2/3 standard. Second: I've already provided some sources to back up my claim that "Lo" is part of her last name, and it's not hard to find more: BFI, AllMovie,...

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    That's it. Look: either we use "real", "correct" or "documented" common names in DVD Profiler, or we don't. Ken told us NOT to do that, but to use "the most commonly credited form", even if we know it's not the person's real name. So that's what I'm doing. Again, if there's a policy change, I'd love to hear about it, and I'll start contributing huge amounts of "correct" common names immediately. But as of yet, this is how I understand Ken's instructions.
  • Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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    Quoting Giga Wizard:
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    Why do we work with double standards?
    Quoting T!M:
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    First: there is no 1/2/3 standard. Second: I've already provided some sources to back up my claim that "Lo" is part of her last name, and it's not hard to find more: BFI, AllMovie,...

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    That's it. Look: either we use "real", "correct" or "documented" common names in DVD Profiler, or we don't. Ken told us NOT to do that, but to use "the most commonly credited form", even if we know it's not the person's real name. So that's what I'm doing. Again, if there's a policy change, I'd love to hear about it, and I'll start contributing huge amounts of "correct" common names immediately. But as of yet, this is how I understand Ken's instructions.

  • It's not a double standard. Name parsing is a separate issue from common names.
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    It is about Crew or Cast common names, for one you can go to web sites, for the other not?
  • CLT and no documented name

  • CLT and documented name

  • Either use  only the Credit Lookup or use Credit Lookup and documented name.
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    Is there anyone who can confirm that Michael Hill is credited with his full name in Far and Away (1992) and/or Problem Child (1990)?
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    Quoting Giga Wizard:
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    It is about Crew or Cast common names, for one you can go to web sites, for the other not?
  • CLT and no documented name

  • CLT and documented name

  • Either use  only the Credit Lookup or use Credit Lookup and documented name.

    Again: name parsing is a separate issue from common names.
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    again: this is not documented in the rules
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    again: this is not documented in the rules

    That I agree with: both parsing and common names desperately need to be addressed in the rules - it's getting pretty tiresome having to go back to square one every week. Also, we can't expect new users, or even the bulk of the users that hardly ever visit the forums, to adhere to certain instructions given by Ken in some random thread a long time ago. But you and I DO know what Ken has said, so please let's follow his directions instead of trying to mess up things by claiming "it isn't documented in the rules, so I can do whatever I want".
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    OK, I put it the other way with an example:
    Warren Blosjo is the credit in the movie. How can he ever be credited in DVD Profiler as: Warren Blosjo [Warren Kole]?
    I find it very concerning you're implying:
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    Instead of trying to mess up things by claiming "it isn't documented in the rules, so I can do whatever I want".
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    OK, I put it the other way with an example:
    Warren Blosjo is the credit in the movie. How can he ever be credited in DVD Profiler as: Warren Blosjo [Warren Kole]?

    I don't understand what you mean by this, what this has to do with the discussion at hand? "Warren Kole" and "Warren Blosjo" are indeed two name variants referring the same person, and if that was what we were talking about I could supply the necessary documentation. We'd also need to find out what the most-credited form is before we know which variant to use as the common name (just so you know: it's "Warren Kole", so in the entry you encountered he should simply be entered "as credited") . But again: I don't understand why you're bringing in this new example? It doesn't take away anything from the simple fact that we use the most commonly credited form for someone's common name.

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    I find it very concerning you're implying:
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    Instead of trying to mess up things by claiming "it isn't documented in the rules, so I can do whatever I want".

    It may indeed sound a bit more harsh than I meant it, but I'm getting pretty tired of having to go back to square one every week. You've been engaged in many recent "common name" threads, and after that I can't help being stunned if in the umpteenth one, you suddenly come out with something ridiculous as "we also should take in account the years he worked in" or pointing to the A.C.E.-site to try to settle what to use as this guy's common name. It doesn't matter how he's listed at A.C.E., and it doesn't matter what he's using right now, or what is "real" or "correct" name is. We use the most commonly credited form. It really is that simple. I'm equal parts stunned and tired of seeing people declare otherwise week after week - it really is time that Ken puts this in the rules in a way that it's not open for any other interpretation. This is one of the very basic principles of how DVD Profiler deals with cast and crew data, affecting (conservative estimate) at least half of all contributions - we can't be messing with such basic principles week after week.
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    Quoting T!M:
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    OK, I put it the other way with an example:
    Warren Blosjo is the credit in the movie. How can he ever be credited in DVD Profiler as: Warren Blosjo [Warren Kole]?

    I don't understand what you mean by this, what this has to do with the discussion at hand? "Warren Kole" and "Warren Blosjo" are indeed two name variants referring the same person, and if that was what we were talking about I could supply the necessary documentation. We'd also need to find out what the most-credited form is before we know which variant to use as the common name. But again: this new example doesn't take away anything from the simple fact that we use the most commonly credited form for someone's common name.


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    and why would that documentation be allowed? If you can only go by the CLT? For DVD Profiler these would be 2 different names, you only have the credits to go by.
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