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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSpikeX
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Is listing 'DTS' as an edition correct?

I have a few profiles where this is the case. In the past when I have submitted to have it removed, it has been declined with users saying that it is stated on the cover.

For example, Minority Report (5039036014960) is listed as Minority Report: DTS. It has a DTS soundtrack and has the DTS logo above the DVD Video logo in the bottom left corner.

Seraphim Falls (5051429101224) also has a DTS soundtrack and the DTS logo on the front cover, but is listed as just Seraphim Falls.

Finally, X-Men 2 (5039036015035) also has a DTS soundtrack and the DTS logo on the back cover and is listed as X-Men 2: One-Disc Edition.

To clarify the point I'm trying to make; can you get specific DTS editions? This information can already be filtered easily, nor does it state on the cover specifically that is is a DTS Edition. You could then argure the title should be Minority Report: DVD Video?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Spike:

We have a place for Audio data, there has been only one or two titles released which I am aware of which have been called a DTS edition. Short answer, in general no, but it may happen again in the future as it has in the past.

A logo does not an edition make.

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To clarify the point I'm trying to make; can you get specific DTS editions? This information can already be filtered easily, nor does it state on the cover specifically that is is a DTS Edition. You could then argure the title should be Minority Report: DVD Video?

This was certainly something that used to be the case. When DTS was first introduced as an audio format for DVD not all amps would know how to decode the signal. Therefore, to prevent lost sales the DVD companies would release a version with a DTS audio track and a version with a Dolby Digital audio track. I may be wrong but I believe this was first done with Saving Private Ryan.

These days having a separate DTS release is very rare, if not non-existent. Certainly in the examples you list I wouldn't give any of those a DTS edition as I can't find any release that doesn't have that audio track on it.

Unfortunately, and this is where it gets complicated, "DTS" is listed as a standard edition in the program and therefore, as the rules are currently written, doesn't even have to appear on the cover to be used! 

However if you wanted to try to remove it again, I would do so on the basis that an edition is used to differentiate releases and as there has been no non-DTS release there is no need to differentiate.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbigdaddyhorse
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Quoting northbloke:
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This was certainly something that used to be the case. When DTS was first introduced as an audio format for DVD not all amps would know how to decode the signal. Therefore, to prevent lost sales the DVD companies would release a version with a DTS audio track and a version with a Dolby Digital audio track. I may be wrong but I believe this was first done with Saving Private Ryan.

These days having a separate DTS release is very rare, if not non-existent. Certainly in the examples you list I wouldn't give any of those a DTS edition as I can't find any release that doesn't have that audio track on it.

Unfortunately, and this is where it gets complicated, "DTS" is listed as a standard edition in the program and therefore, as the rules are currently written, doesn't even have to appear on the cover to be used! 

However if you wanted to try to remove it again, I would do so on the basis that an edition is used to differentiate releases and as there has been no non-DTS release there is no need to differentiate.


Saving Private Ryan, 12 Monkeys, Virus and a few others that slip my mind right had these DTS editions which all had a big DTS banner on the front cover.
I'd say if they have the banner on front and a non-DTS version exists, then it's fine to put it in the edition field as it does seperate them. I still have the old Saving Private Ryan and "DTS Special Limited Edition" is in the edition field. I'd vote to remove the "Limited Edition" part of that since that was a lie and the disc was out for 6 years or so, but there was a DTS version and a non-DTS version so that part should be there to distigush.
Anything newer that has DTS on all the discs, shouldn't count. Even if it has a DTS banner but no non-DTS version exists, it shouldn't count. Then it's just a feature, not an edition.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSpikeX
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Just an update to say I resubmitted Minority Report without the DTS Edition and was once again declined.

3 no votes received:

- This has already been submitted before & rejected. Since there hasn't been an update to the rules, I'd say it's still valid.

- I'm with * on this one.

- as others

Would it be possible for Ken to clarify on this situation?
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Just an update to say I resubmitted Minority Report without the DTS Edition and was once again declined.

3 no votes received:

- This has already been submitted before & rejected. Since there hasn't been an update to the rules, I'd say it's still valid.

- I'm with * on this one.

- as others

Would it be possible for Ken to clarify on this situation?


Did you point out that there is no non-DTS edition to distingush from?

Another not about the Saving Private Ryan "Limited Edition" I mentioned in my above post, there are still selling the non-DTS "Limited Edition", I saw a bunch today at Sams Club. 10 years, 10 freakin' years later and you can still buy this "Limited Edition" new in a store. Glad I picked one up when I did (2003, as an intro penny disc from ColumbiaHouse). At least the DTS seems to be "harder to find" and might even be somewhat "limited".
I vote to remove all editions as most are either the only version in existence, and the others are liars!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSpikeX
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Did you point out that there is no non-DTS edition to distingush from?

Another not about the Saving Private Ryan "Limited Edition" I mentioned in my above post, there are still selling the non-DTS "Limited Edition", I saw a bunch today at Sams Club. 10 years, 10 freakin' years later and you can still buy this "Limited Edition" new in a store. Glad I picked one up when I did (2003, as an intro penny disc from ColumbiaHouse). At least the DTS seems to be "harder to find" and might even be somewhat "limited".
I vote to remove all editions as most are either the only version in existence, and the others are liars!


Yes, these were my contribution notes;
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DTS removed as there is no non-DTS release that needs to be differentiated from.

See forum discussion:
http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=352049

*Updated Notes* (once the no votes had been received - re-evaluation was also asked for via PM)
DTS removed as there is no non-DTS release that needs to be differentiated from.

See forum discussion:
http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=352049

-Is it possible the contribution was invalid in the first place? The contribution notes have no justification for 'DTS Edition' to be cover.

Nowhere on the cover is this specifically stated nor is there another UK release to be distinguished from.

The only other UK release (not part of a boxset) is the 2-disc special edition, however this also has a DTS soundtrack
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I would say the naysayers were incorrect.

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Billy Video
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There was / is also a "Rental Version" which had no DTS track so therefore the Edition is Valid.

Since it is possible to purchase "Ex-Rental" DVD's in the UK from places like Blockbuster, ILoveFilm etc.

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There was / is also a "Rental Version" which had no DTS track so therefore the Edition is Valid.

Since it is possible to purchase "Ex-Rental" DVD's in the UK from places like Blockbuster, ILoveFilm etc.

Steve


I also vaguely recall a non-DTS version being available to buy for a short period. I think it was only on the market for a couple of months max so I'm not surprised it isn't in the database.
Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeGerri Cole
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I went back and approved it. All the DVDs for that locality that have audio tracks listed (which is all but one) have a DTS track. The only one that does not is a promotional DVD. So I don't think the DTS in the edition field distinguishes this DVD from any of the others.

-Gerri
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Quoting the Rules:
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Edition
The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition). It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.


Unfortunately, "DTS" is included in the "built-in selections" in the program itself, therefore, it would be inappropriate to remove it from the "Edition" field.

Personally, I think it should be removed from the "built-in selections" because we already have a way to record this information in the audio section, but as the Rules are currently written, listing it in the "Edition" field is correct.
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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeGerri Cole
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DTS is a built in selection, but in this case the DTS does not distiguish this DVD from others, so it is inappropriate to use it in this case. Removing it is not against the rules.

I would agree that it seems outdated to have this as a built in - at one point it was unusual or distinguishing but not so much anymore.

-Gerri
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I would agree that it seems outdated to have this as a built in - at one point it was unusual or distinguishing but not so much anymore.

Agreed - let's remove it. And while we're at it: can we also do something to eliminate the use of "Widescreen Collection" as an edition on thousands and thousands of especially Paramount DVD's of which there is no non-widescreen available version available whatsoever? It's like you said: it "does not distiguish this DVD from others, so it is inappropriate to use it". I'd really like to see the importance of the "ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title" part of the rule being stressed some more, as some people tend to ignore it and instead think that anything on the cover except the title automatically goes into the edition field.
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I would agree that it seems outdated to have this as a built in - at one point it was unusual or distinguishing but not so much anymore.

Agreed - let's remove it. And while we're at it: can we also do something to eliminate the use of "Widescreen Collection" as an edition on thousands and thousands of especially Paramount DVD's of which there is no non-widescreen available version available whatsoever? It's like you said: it "does not distiguish this DVD from others, so it is inappropriate to use it". I'd really like to see the importance of the "ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title" part of the rule being stressed some more, as some people tend to ignore it and instead think that anything on the cover except the title automatically goes into the edition field.

Please let's not open up that battle again. The edition is for distinguishing between versions and also noting collection names. You may not like the Widescreen Collection, but if you attack that based on it being the only version, then you also eliminate most other "collection" names. To me, I think it's best to err on the side of too much information there that some can delete locally if they don't like it.
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then you also eliminate most other "collection" names.

But surely the rule could be worded to allow those? "Collection Names" are absolutely fine by me, but needlessly repeating the video format, which already is available elsewhere in the profile and as such, serves no purpose whatsoever, especially given the fact that there usually is no non-widescreen version available, remains highly irritating for most of us. Again: we already have a field for the video format. Unsurprisingly, it's not the one called "Edition"...
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