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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Tim:

This is an old battle, and while I agree with you, drop it. Even IF there was a majority of users that now want to drop it, I would fight for it now, even though i personall don't like it. We can't see these kind of changes made simply on the whim of users, its part of the program I fought against it and there it is.

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This is an old battle, and while I agree with you, drop it.

It's never too late to fix an old mistake, though.
Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeGerri Cole
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In this case, nothing was written on the cover. In the case where there is something like WIDESCREEN COLLECTION written on the cover, I think it needs to be included. The rule would end up being too subjective and hard to judge if you tried to apply the rule in such a way that if there are no DVDs out that don't include that feature then don't include it in the edition field even if it is on the cover. Doesn't mean the rule can't change, that is just my opinion.

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Quoting Gerri Cole:
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In this case, nothing was written on the cover. In the case where there is something like WIDESCREEN COLLECTION written on the cover, I think it needs to be included. The rule would end up being too subjective and hard to judge if you tried to apply the rule in such a way that if there are no DVDs out that don't include that feature then don't include it in the edition field even if it is on the cover. Doesn't mean the rule can't change, that is just my opinion.

-Gerri


I agree that it should stay. I always have. Widescreen Collection is on the case and it is a Collecyion... even if it is on the majority of their releases... which isn't as true as it used to be.  I have seen many come out without it lately.
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then you also eliminate most other "collection" names.

But surely the rule could be worded to allow those? "Collection Names" are absolutely fine by me, but needlessly repeating the video format, which already is available elsewhere in the profile and as such, serves no purpose whatsoever, especially given the fact that there usually is no non-widescreen version available, remains highly irritating for most of us. Again: we already have a field for the video format. Unsurprisingly, it's not the one called "Edition"...

For Paramount, when the film is Academy ratio, they use "Paramount Collection". Is that a collection or a video format? They also have "Full Screen Collection". To me, these are collection names.

Although you say it serves no purpose whatsoever, when I'm looking up a title to add, when I see "Widescreen Collection", that narrows down the choice for me for which preliminary profile to select. I know that profile has been audited per the rules rather than one of the other stray UPCs that might be out there. That makes it the best starting profile to add to my collection.
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For Paramount, when the film is Academy ratio, they use "Paramount Collection". Is that a collection or a video format? They also have "Full Screen Collection". To me, these are collection names.

"Widescreen Collection" and "Full Screen Collection" aren't collection names to me: they're indications of the video format. That's interesting information indeed, but we already have a field for that. As for "Paramount Collection", well, I might even surrender to that one as far as my local database is concerned, but it's still rather pointless, IMHO. Again it's unneeded duplicating of information that's already elsewhere in the profile (the "media companies" field, in this case). As a rule of thumb, rather than trying to fill the edition field at all costs, I try to use it only for stuff that isn't repeated elsewhere in the profile.
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when I see "Widescreen Collection", that narrows down the choice for me for which preliminary profile to select. I know that profile has been audited per the rules rather than one of the other stray UPCs that might be out there. That makes it the best starting profile to add to my collection.

  Apart from anything else, I have to say that just doesn't fly. I've honestly found that most users don't use the pointless "Widescreen Collection", especially not outside R1, and so it's presence, or the lack thereof, really doesn't tell you anything. I've literally seen hundreds of absolutely perfect, fully-audited Paramount DVD-profiles without that silly banner as an edition. I'm sure you'll get to keep your "Widescreen Collection", but I would hope (and expect it is, really) that it's based one something more substantial than this, which really is the biggest non-argument I've ever seen. 'Cause it's just not true.
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In this case, nothing was written on the cover.


That clarifies things quite a bit.  If it doesn't actually appear on the cover (and , in fact, I would restrict it to the front cover), then it should not be in the "Edition" field.
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In this case, nothing was written on the cover.


That clarifies things quite a bit.  If it doesn't actually appear on the cover (and , in fact, I would restrict it to the front cover), then it should not be in the "Edition" field.

Agreed Hal

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For Paramount, when the film is Academy ratio, they use "Paramount Collection". Is that a collection or a video format? They also have "Full Screen Collection". To me, these are collection names.

"Widescreen Collection" and "Full Screen Collection" aren't collection names to me: they're indications of the video format. That's interesting information indeed, but we already have a field for that. As for "Paramount Collection", well, I might even surrender to that one as far as my local database is concerned, but it's still rather pointless, IMHO. Again it's unneeded duplicating of information that's already elsewhere in the profile (the "media companies" field, in this case). As a rule of thumb, rather than trying to fill the edition field at all costs, I try to use it only for stuff that isn't repeated elsewhere in the profile.

The edition is easily visible in the Add by Title window. I find it much more helpful than the video format field when adding by title. And the word "collection" signifies "collection" to me.

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when I see "Widescreen Collection", that narrows down the choice for me for which preliminary profile to select. I know that profile has been audited per the rules rather than one of the other stray UPCs that might be out there. That makes it the best starting profile to add to my collection.

  Apart from anything else, I have to say that just doesn't fly. I've honestly found that most users don't use the pointless "Widescreen Collection", especially not outside R1, and so it's presence, or the lack thereof, really doesn't tell you anything. I've literally seen hundreds of absolutely perfect, fully-audited Paramount DVD-profiles without that silly banner as an edition. I'm sure you'll get to keep your "Widescreen Collection", but I would hope (and expect it is, really) that it's based one something more substantial than this, which really is the biggest non-argument I've ever seen. 'Cause it's just not true.

It may not be true in your experience but it is in mine. The substantial reason for keeping it has been summed up best by Gerri above; however, what I said is based on my personal use of the program and should hardly be labeled the "the biggest non-argument". 
...James

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It may not be true in your experience but it is in mine. The substantial reason for keeping it has been summed up best by Gerri above; however, my what I said is based on my personal use of the program and should hardly be labeled the "the biggest non-argument". 

I agree with everything that James wrote...this part especially.  That last comment directed his way was uncalled for. 
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Well if the Edition part of a title should come from what is printed on the front cover I would suggest that people should look at the front cover of this particular title.

The word "DTS" is clearly labeled in the "Bottom Left hand Corner", and as stated before their is a version here in the UK, abliet it may not be in the Invelos DB yet, a non DTS version used in the rental market.

Or does that NOT count?

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Steve, I would say generally not in this case. Of course tghere may be exceptions. DVD is printed on the front cover of nearly every title as well and we don't put that into the edition field. I think many people are looking for ways to shoehorn their favorite piece of data into the Online. I can think of only one, maybe two, instances of a release that was actually labeled DTS Edition in theory, I am not sure either made the street with that actual designation. Let's remember that we do have a section for Audio information that will contain the data relative to DTS.

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Well if the Edition part of a title should come from what is printed on the front cover I would suggest that people should look at the front cover of this particular title.

The word "DTS" is clearly labeled in the "Bottom Left hand Corner", and as stated before their is a version here in the UK, abliet it may not be in the Invelos DB yet, a non DTS version used in the rental market.

Or does that NOT count?

Steve


We're getting conflicting information here.  Gerri said nothing is on the cover.  You're saying DTS is on the front cover.

What's the UPC so we can all go look at it?

EDIT: Nevermind, I went back through the thread and found it.

Steve is correct that DTS does appear on the front cover.  Based on that and my reading of the Rules, that it is "usually safe" to include anything in the drop down list, this profile should include DTS in the "Edition" field.
Hal
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Steve is correct that DTS does appear on the front cover.  Based on that and my reading of the Rules, that it is "usually safe" to include anything in the drop down list, this profile should include DTS in the "Edition" field.


Sorry hal...I think you'd better go see an optician (like myself) as nobody else seems able to see it, perhaps we're blind or something...else a psychiatrist for seeing things.

Steve
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Sorry hal...I think you'd better go see an optician (like myself) as nobody else seems able to see it, perhaps we're blind or something...else a psychiatrist for seeing things.

Steve

While I disagree with his opinion that it should be an addition, Hal is correct when he says it is there.  For Minority Report, it is in the lower left hand corner...right above the DVD Video logo...and for Seraphim Falls, it is in the lower right hand corner...white letters in a red box.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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