Quoting goblinsdoitall:

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Seriously: ADR group is quite comparable to "Additional Voices" in animated movies (which we do parse).

Do we? "Additional Voices" (you'll find that the terms "ADR Group", "Loop Group" and "Additional Voices" are interchangable to filmmakers) usually aren't listed as part of the "regular" cast list either - because they refer to the same thing. If we lose one, we lose 'em all. Be careful what you wish for... 

These poll results are no surprise: we already know that a fairly large part of the users is just interested in the main cast and crew. Have a look, for instance, at this recent poll. It's not exactly surprising that the 36 people who indicated they're not bothered about a major DVD Profiler section like crew, would also have no interest in the voice actors we're dealing with here. You can cry "majority!" here, but that poll didn't exactly lead to the elimination of the crew section, did it?

The fact of the matter is that there are quite a few users who do value that data - quite a few in this poll alone, and I assure you: even more in the "silent majority" of the userbase. If you don't need or care about this data: fine. As with everything else: you'd be under no obligation to add it. Although having it there does no harm, you could even strip it from your local database with just a few clicks. But there really is no reason to prevent the rest of us from tracking data that we feel is valid and useful (again: these peope are considered "cast" by the filmmakers, unions and themselves, and they usually have loads of other acting credits in the database - both more voice-only roles as "regular" ones).

As pointed out elsewhere: I, for instance, am not interested in make-up crew at all. I'm betting if we polled a hundred random DVD Profilers, there'd be a vast majority of people who aren't too interested either (the poll mentioned earlier gives you an indication). Yet: did I fight against it's inclusion? No, I did not. I'm happy for those that ARE interested in it that they got what they wanted. I'm under no obligation to add make-up crew if I don't want to, so I really don't have a problem there. Winners all around. Frankly it's a little amazing to see that so many users have no intention to extend the same courtesy to others. 

Quoting CharlieM:

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It will lead to more arguments about name parsing and common names, and there are a number of people that like to argue about these 2 topics.

Parsing needs to be addressed regardless of all this. As for common names: well, often, more different credits tend to give clearer results. For instance: for someone with two different credits to his name, under two slightly different name variants, it's very hard to determine which one is the common name. With ten different credits, it gets a lot easier to see that there's just one odd one among them. There are, of course, examples where people manage to get their 30 credits evenly split over "Dave" and "David", but that isn't specifically related to voice actors.

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Quoting CharlieM:

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It will lead to more arguments about name parsing and common names, and there are a number of people that like to argue about these 2 topics.

Parsing needs to be addressed regardless of all this. As for common names: well, often, more different credits tend to give clearer results. For instance: for someone with two different credits to his name, under two slightly different name variants, it's very hard to determine which one is the common name. With ten different credits, it gets a lot easier to see that there's just one odd one among them. There are, of course, examples where people manage to get their 30 credits evenly split over "Dave" and "David", but that isn't specifically related to voice actors.

Only if people enter the names as they are supposed to be entered.  I have seen a number of contributions where people TRY to change names, just because of a status change.  It is a nightmare now, that is why there are so  many arguments.

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I agree with T!M standpoint on the 'what harm does it do the people who don't want them'. I also feel the same way about many features of Profiler.

But, for me, at the current time we are not allowed to enter them. So, at this time they should NOT be entered by anyone. Unless Invelos says differently.

Point taken. But as per Gerri's post on the matter yesterday, they ARE thinking about addressing this. She specifically asked for us to voice our opinions on the matter. That, to me, entails a bit more than just stressing what what the rules say today. Yes, technically, the rules currently don't allow for anything not listed as part of the "regular" cast list to be entered. But that's a rule I've seen being broken by almost everyone, as the situation where additional, perfectly valid cast members are listed just a bit further down the end credits isn't exactly unique.

No matter what way we go on this, the data we choose to track should never be decided upon a mere formatting decision made by the guy typing up the credits. That's just a sure-fire recipe for disaster, IMHO. Either we track something or we don't, but not "sometimes, based on formatting".

Lie I said hal, they aren't cast PERIOD. They are Crew and if Ken wants to add an entry for ADR then fine.

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Quoting Dr Pavlov:

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They are Crew

I'd appreciate some reasons for why you have this opinion. I've given several reasons for why they are not crew. I would very much like you're reasons for why they are.

Note: I'm not debating that they are cast. Only that they are not crew.

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See my post in the other thread, Astra. You would have Contributions come to a grinding HALT. Because none of us would KNOW what Cast is anymore and you could make an argument that almost an given credit is Cast. So, I don't mean to be harsh, but because of the fallout problem, I don't care about any rationale trying to justify it otherwise, they are CREW. And the majority agrees, by a WIDE margin.

I will guarantee that if you got your way I would NEVER Comntribute anything ever agaian because I am not willing to sit a stare at a screen and ponder whether some entriy outside of the Cast list might really be Cast

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Quoting m.cellophane:

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Quoting T!M:

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These poll results are no surprise: we already know that a fairly large part of the users is just interested in the main cast and crew. Have a look, for instance, at this recent poll.

The focus of that poll was what does one least want to contribute. That's not the same as whether or not one is interested in having the data in the profile. (eg. I don't like contributing overviews, but I like that others do.)

Not at all< james. Neither is correct.

That poll was obvious in its title
What part of a contribution is the least you are bothered about ?

It is not asking what you dislike or don't want to enter or see in the database. It simply asks  what if any bothers you, it doesn't even ask what it uis that bothers you about it, just whether it does or not.

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