Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

  Invelos Forums->General: General Discussion Page: 1 2 3 4  Previous   Next
Another one bites the dust.... (Locked)
Author Message
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorBerak
Bibamus morieundum est!
Registered: May 10, 2007
Norway Posts: 1,059
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collection
The time has come for me to say goodbye to my profiler days. 

I've been contributing mainly full audits of DVD's I own for 2 years now - only on rare occasions have I submitted partial updates.

The main reason I've decided to leave, is that I do not like the present course Invelos seems to be taking. They do not adress serious questions raised by the community, but rather remains anonymous by deleting/censoring forum posts that get out of hand instead of adressing the questions raised in the initial posting. I am fully aware that threads can be derailed and turn into garbage quickly, but it is my adamant opinion that this could have been prevented had they adressed the issues raised in the first place.

Another reason for me calling it quits, is that I do not (and can not) agree with some of the policies Invelos is currently enforcing. The main thorn in my side is the allowance of users to contribute updates to profiles they do not own. I've seen far too many examples that different localities have different credits for me to accept that "cross-contributing" should be allowed. I've even adressed this specifically in voting, but to no avail - contributors have even gone as far as calling me a liar in their notes, and got their contribution accepted. This to me is utterly unacceptable.

I do not blame any particular users for making me leave - it has been a decision long in the coming. That being said - some users have made the decision for me a lot easier than it necessarily would have been.

Now - the reason for me posting this rather long and, for some, probably tiresome post is that I wish to make Invelos aware of the current "state-of-affairs" so to speak. Too many valuable members have called it quits in the recent months for them to ignore the development (although it seems to me that they do not care). If I'd seen this coming a few months ago, I would have kept a record of the users openly professing to quit, but I'm sure someone out there can narrow the numbers down..

I bid you all a fond farewell - this program has given me more joy than I can begin to explain, but as I've said - enough is enough - I cannot in good concience continue...

Peace out and be free! 
Berak

It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all!
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
Here's my card
Registered: May 19, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 5,916
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collection
Dang.
 Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
Registered: March 15, 2007
Canada Posts: 1,982
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collection
I remember last year when you were questionning my reasons to not contribute anymore. It looks like you have finally seen that a problem exist in the database, the forum and DVDP in general...
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKatatonia
Retired Profiler
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 20,111
Posted:
PM this user
Sorry to see you go Berak!

Far too many excellent users are calling it quits lately...
Corey
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAce_of_Sevens
Registered: December 10, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Posts: 3,004
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collection
Let's see if this thread gets deleted.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorrorymatt
Registered: March 24, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 2,044
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collection
Damn, this is getting bad. I for one am truly sorry to see you go Berak. I do understand your reasons for leaving tho. I agree with Kat, far and away too many excellent users leaving.

Rory
DVD Profiler for iOS as of 3/5/2013
DVD Profiler for Android as of 5/17/2013
Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
Invelos Software
Registered: March 10, 2007
United States Posts: 4,282
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collection
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
Quote:
Let's see if this thread gets deleted.

Moderators do not delete threads they don't like, they only delete posts which are entirely without value (personal attacks), or threads which are entirely filled with same.

Actually, excluding SPAM threads, I can count the number of full threads that have been deleted on one hand, in the entire history of Invelos.  It's not something we do lightly and not something we do very often. 

I read virtually every post on the site, and I share the community's sense of loss whenever a valued contributor stops.

I do not, however, share the sentiment of doom & gloom that some have indicated.  The facts are that our total number of contributions per week continues to rise.  Also, the quality of said contributions is higher than at any point in DVD Profiler's history, measured by any objective standard.

At present, my time (outside of support tickets, customer service handling, contribution processing, DB administration, accounting, forum moderation, etc.) is 100% focused on the iPhone version.  As such, for better or for worse, some of the unsettled contribution concerns have taken a temporary back seat. 

For users who are patiently waiting for their particular thorny issue to be resolved, we appreciate your patience and will do our best to reward it.  For those who feel the need to move on, our thanks go to you for your contributions to the community and with them a hope that you'll be back.

As to the status of the iPhone version, I won't be giving a time estimate, nor will I be announcing features ahead of release.  We want to make sure we catch our competion off guard.    I'll say one thing though - although there are iPhone apps for DVD collections available now, there are none like this one. 
Invelos Software, Inc. Representative
 Last edited: by Ken Cole
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,310
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collection
I am sorry to see anyone leave us... I hope you will be back at some point Berak!

But I must admit I am relieved to read Ken's comments on the amount and quality of contributions.
Pete
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,198
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collection
Quoting Ken Cole:
Quote:
(...)
I do not, however, share the sentiment of doom & gloom that some have indicated.  The facts are that our total number of contributions per week continues to rise.  Also, the quality of said contributions is higher than at any point in DVD Profiler's history, measured by any objective standard.
(...)

I actually figured this was the case.  We forum users live in a very small fishbowl and don't have a clue as to what is happening out in the real world...metaphorically speaking.

As to the OP, sorry to see you go Berak.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
 Last edited: by TheMadMartian
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwidescreenforever
Under A Double DoubleW
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Canada Posts: 5,481
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collection
sorry to see you go as well...       
In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.

Terry
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantnuoyaxin
prev. known as ya_shin
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Taiwan, Province of China Posts: 3,432
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collection
Quoting Ken Cole:
Quote:
At present, my time (outside of support tickets, customer service handling, contribution processing, DB administration, accounting, forum moderation, etc.) is 100% focused on the iPhone version.  As such, for better or for worse, some of the unsettled contribution concerns have taken a temporary back seat. 

[...]

As to the status of the iPhone version, I won't be giving a time estimate, nor will I be announcing features ahead of release.  We want to make sure we catch our competion off guard.    I'll say one thing though - although there are iPhone apps for DVD collections available now, there are none like this one. 



Not fair, wetting our appetite that much! I hope it won't be "too long".
Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative)
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorOlav Reinås
Is it morning already?
Registered: May 11, 2007
Norway Posts: 30
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collection
This is the first time I have feelt a need to say something in the forums.
I am very sorry to see you go Berak because there is so few of us Norwegian contributors, I'll guess there is 10 or less of us. I often see there is no voters for my contributions, that's bad because there is no check of the contributions I make other than from Gerri and Cole, and therefore it is a big risk that there will be errors in the contributions.

Is there a cruder language in the forum now than before, because we have to use moderators to check on what we say in the forums? If all rememberd that "the pen is mightyer than the sword"  it woud be no problem to state your opinion.

Hope to see you and the others who have left the community back soon.
Sorry about my bad English. 
 Last edited: by Olav Reinås
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
Registered: March 19, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 6,014
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collection
@ Berak:
Really sorry to see you leave, and I wish you the very best!

It's quite a relief to read Ken's statement indicating that both the amount and the quality of profile contributions are still increasing, in spite of the recent flood of long-time contributors leaving the pitch. Just another indication that the forums are in no way representative of the overall user body.

Good luck to Ken in the development of a truly groundbreaking iPhone version! Maybe it's time I started considering getting an iPhone myself...
 Last edited: by dee1959jay
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantgoodguy
Sita Sings the Blues
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: Superior Rating
Germany Posts: 1,029
Posted:
PM this user
Quoting Ken Cole:
Quote:
At present, my time (outside of support tickets, customer service handling, contribution processing, DB administration, accounting, forum moderation, etc.) is 100% focused on the iPhone version.  As such, for better or for worse, some of the unsettled contribution concerns have taken a temporary back seat.

That is the problem with one time fees. Not that I'm complaining about DVD Profiler's pricing scheme; I like paying little and only once as much as the next guy. And I do remember the beating I took for not offering my plugin Profile Comparison Plus to such conditions. But if a developer has to spend valuable time and resources on limited revenue streams, it becomes an issue. Thus new projects become far more attractive and the "old stuff" has to take a back seat (new 3.6 plugin API, *cough*).
Matthias
 Last edited: by goodguy
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
Strength Through Unity
Registered: May 19, 2007
Reputation: Superior Rating
Germany Posts: 6,730
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collection
@ Berak:
Sad to see you leave. I always thought of you as a very valuable member of our community. I really hope that in times to come you'll overthink this decision. See you then.

Quoting goodguy:
Quote:
Quoting Ken Cole:
Quote:
At present, my time (outside of support tickets, customer service handling, contribution processing, DB administration, accounting, forum moderation, etc.) is 100% focused on the iPhone version.  As such, for better or for worse, some of the unsettled contribution concerns have taken a temporary back seat.

That is the problem with one time fees. Not that I'm complaining about DVD Profiler's pricing scheme; I like paying little and only once as much as the next guy. And I do remember the beating I took for not offering my plugin Profile Comparison Plus to such conditions. But if a developer has to spend valuable time and resources on limited revenue streams, it becomes an issue. Thus new projects become far more attractive and the "old stuff" has to take a back seat (new 3.6 plugin API, *cough*).

Agreed!
I really wouldn't mind to pay (again) for major updates. The problem is probably that Ken would have to get most of us "old" users to accept a new licensing model.
EDIT: But this could probably be solved by a new version (4.0) with a new licensing model, provided that the old 3.5 keeps it's functionality, so that nobody is forced to update.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


Registrant since 05/22/2003
 Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMallrat
Registered: December 13, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
Netherlands Posts: 334
Posted:
PM this user
Quoting goblinsdoitall:
Quote:
EDIT: But this could probably be solved by a new version (4.0) with a new licensing model, provided that the old 3.5 keeps it's functionality, so that nobody is forced to update.


Not really, a once-in-a-lifetime fee doesn't mean anything if it's a once-in-a-lifetime fee for version 3.5 and then another once-in-a-lifetime fee for version 4.0 and so on.
A new licensing model is fine and probably even a good idea, but it should be for new users only. The ones who have already purchased a once-in-a-lifetime registration shouldn't be forced to either stick with an older version or pay again.

And Berak, hope to see you back sometime in the future!
 Last edited: by Mallrat
  Invelos Forums->General: General Discussion Page: 1 2 3 4  Previous   Next