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The continued drama we call "parsing": Elaine Corral Kendall |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Your link didn't work Stupid Née redirect. *snicker* |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
And just for fun, a couple paragraphs down:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Married_and_maiden_names#Birth_name_as_middle_name
Quoting the last part of that section - Quote:
Of women who change their last name at marriage, 25% use their birth surname as a middle name. Of course that shouldn't be taken for granted but it seems to be far less than some users would suggest. From what some have said, I would've thought it would be nearer 65-70%. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim:
I have explained this numerous times. Women many times will take theri maiden name as a middle name. A credit of EC-K proves very little to ECK, it is entirely plausible that the person made a personal decision which we are not privy to, and they don't have to go through any legal activities. Now i would say just as I did with HBC and any other such entry look for a sequence of credits. I would prefer to see an EC-k, an ECK and then another EC-K as we did with films for HBC. I, for one, am not interested in your assumptions or those of any other user, I would use the default 1/2/3 unless we can produce a sequence of credits showing a mix of credit styles for the three names. While the credit sequence is not a conclusive answer, it DOES present a solution which we can be reasonably certain is correct as opposed to just some users assumption.
Now you said that one user claimed that he knew this personally. I would be asking himher how he knows this personally and can he/she provide documentation to back up his/her assertion. Who knows, it is not impossible that the person herself voted No and thus can yes say she knows this personally...very personally. Or perhaps a friend or a sister or whatever. But I would be asking the questions. I always go with the default because I know how often 1/2/3 is likely the correct answer, based on the people that i know both in and out of Hollywood.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | As was said in the Lauren Shuler-Donner thread (not by me), while you may want a "sequence", it is NOT required by Invelos & a hyphenated credit will be enough for them just as it was for LSD. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Forget:
We have users that will do no more than the Rules, even if that more is beneficial to the Community. this is one of those cases. I would not make the assuption, I would seek a way to back it up...and i have explained how i would do it. And we actually cme up with something for LSD that worked.
I am sorry I have little respect for those who simply look at the Rules for the MINIMUMS that they should provide, there is a larger Community and assumptions or users claiming something is because they say so, I don't buy from anyone. I won't do ask it of you, don't ask it of me.
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Billy Video |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
I always go with the default because I know how often 1/2/3 is likely the correct answer, based on the people that i know both in and out of Hollywood. As you've read, I actually went with E/C/K. That got me a "no"-vote. I'm sure if I went with E//C K, I'd have gotten a "no"-vote as well. Hence this thread. As of yet, it doesn't seem like these poll results are going to help in convincing either party...  |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Forget:
We have users that will do no more than the Rules, even if that more is beneficial to the Community. this is one of those cases. I would not make the assuption, I would seek a way to back it up...and i have explained how i would do it. And we actually cme up with something for LSD that worked.
I am sorry I have little respect for those who simply look at the Rules for the MINIMUMS that they should provide, there is a larger Community and assumptions or users claiming something is because they say so, I don't buy from anyone. I won't do ask it of you, don't ask it of me.
Skip You say you use real data. A credit is real data. While I often agree with you, especially when it comes to documentation, in this case, I believe you are making it more difficult than it needs to be. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
Women many times will take theri maiden name as a middle name. You can't assume that is the case here. Unless they chose to legally change their middle name when the get married, their maiden/birth name does not become their middle name. That's why I said we need proof, aka documentation, stating that she joined the two last names together and didn't make it her middle name. | | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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I always go with the default because I know how often 1/2/3 is likely the correct answer, based on the people that i know both in and out of Hollywood.
As you've read, I actually went with E/C/K. That got me a "no"-vote. I'm sure if I went with E//C K, I'd have gotten a "no"-vote as well. Hence this thread. As of yet, it doesn't seem like these poll results are going to help in convincing either party... Tim: As I said, the user who voted No said that he/she knew this to be true personallly. I explained what I would do relative to that user, can he/she provide some documentation that you can include in your notes. Personal knowledge works if it is her or some family member i suppose.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 168 |
| | Posted: | | | | May I please refer you to the following SDGate news story from March of 1998. Of particular interest is the mention of her husband East Bay building contractor Jeff Kendall (approx 1/2 way down. additionally, check this link under her maiden name, includes her picture and mention of her appearance in movies | | | | Last edited: by MsPaula |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Quoting tweeter:
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Your link didn't work
Stupid Née redirect. *snicker* I understand, Doc Though I don't know that I necessarily agree with you. Technically what many women do is create a double-barreled middle, though they will only actually only use their maiden name except in the case of dealing with legal documents. These are personal choices, made by each person. As I have noted before in my case there are at least 25 different ways which my own name can be dealt with,. Are you going to have any idea which one is correct...no...and how do you define correct. Is it my legal name, the name I use most frequently or something else. If you are referring to my legal name, that could be determined, but if you are talking about something else, the only answer is going to be me. Or my sister if you can find her...god luck, Jim.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
These are personal choices, made by each person. Which perfectly illustrates why this doesn't work - along with the 5:4 poll split, of course. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You still haven't answered my question. Did you ask the user how he knew this personally and could he provide you any documentation to support his claim. That is what i would do, Tim. No need to bring it here at all, You simply ask him the question. It's not like ECK is the same as HBC, who the same hill is she, not an A-list actress that's for sure, I never heard of her so she is down the list somewhere...or new. But if the user can provide you something to support his claim, then it's a done deal. I can't tell based on what I see whether E/C/K is correct or E//CK. Without documentation I go for default everytime, give me some documentation and E//CK may well be correct. And no i don't buy Wikipedia on its own any more than I buy IMDb for the same reason. I know about way too many errors in Wiki.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
This whole parsing debacle is getting worse by the minute... So, whenever a maiden name is involved in situations like this, there's at least one hyphenated credit out there, but there's no official reference to declare otherwise, you'd put the maiden name in the last name field? I guess I have quite a few names to change, then. If I knew it was a maiden name then, yes, I would use the hyphenated credit as the deciding factor. Do you have a better way of deciding? If you do, I would be happy to hear it. Quote:
For the record: I went to the trouble to click along all 125 "Elaine Corral Kendall" entries in the database. Guess what? Only one of them is parsed E//C K. The 124 other entries are all parsed E/C/K... These all need changing now? My guess is that they are entered that way because most people didn't know it was a maiden name. I have been watching her on my local news for 20 years and I didn't make the connection...though that migh be due to the fact that she never used the name 'Kendall'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
If I knew it was a maiden name then, yes, I would use the hyphenated credit as the deciding factor. Do you have a better way of deciding? If you do, I would be happy to hear it. I certainly don't, and I'm more than happy to follow your approach. It's just that I've been told over and over again that I couldn't apply that logic. Worse: the current poll results still don't exactly bode well... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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If I knew it was a maiden name then, yes, I would use the hyphenated credit as the deciding factor. Do you have a better way of deciding? If you do, I would be happy to hear it.
I certainly don't, and I'm happy to follow that approach. It's just that I've been told over and over again that I couldn't apply that logic. Worse: the current poll results still don't exactly bode well... I certainly hope I wasn't one of the ones who has told you that you couldn't apply that logic. I know I have changed my position on many issues and, honestly, can't remember whether or not this was one of them.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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