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I certainly hope I wasn't one of the ones who has told you that you couldn't apply that logic.  I know I have changed my position on many issues and, honestly, can't remember whether or not this was one of them. 

Well, I don't remember either - I certainly didn't mean to imply that you were. I'd have to check back on the last sixty heated parsing debates over the last three years, and I'd really rather not...      I do know that I've always felt that maiden names belong in the last name field, and that that approach hasn't always gone down particularly well. In order to cut down on multiple, non-linking entries for the same people, I'm happy to cast my personal preference aside and simply parse 1/2/3, but any name I get to parse "correctly" is more than welcome. With 124 out of 125 "Elaine Corral Kendall" entries in the database parsed as E/C/K, I thought that was the safe bet to go with. I'm perfectly willing to change my contribution and her other entries in my database - but I do really hope that that won't get me the same amount of "no"-voters. These poll results aren't exactly reassuring in that regard...

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Lacking such supporting evidence, E/C/K would be correct.

Sorry but correct on what basis? It's certainly not supported in the rules either way at this time. While it may be a personal preference, it's not backed up where as a credit is backed up in black and white.

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Any broad statement that because it is her maiden name it belongs in the last name field is just wrong.  Many, many women adopt their maiden name as their middle name after they marry.

And many, many women don't.

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Quoting hal9g:

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Lacking such supporting evidence, E/C/K would be correct.

Sorry but correct on what basis? It's certainly not supported in the rules either way at this time. While it may be a personal preference, it's not backed up where as a credit is backed up in black and white.

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Any broad statement that because it is her maiden name it belongs in the last name field is just wrong.  Many, many women adopt their maiden name as their middle name after they marry.

And many, many women don't.

That would be true in the UK, but it is not true in the US.

Skip

Quoting Dr Pavlov:

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That would be true in the UK, but it is not true in the US.

Skip

I guess it depends on your perspective.  According to Laurie Scheuble, a sociologist at Pennsylvania State University who has studied the choice of last names by married women, 95 percent of married women use a husband's last name. Of those, about 25 percent informally use their maiden name as a middle name.

About 4 percent retain their maiden name as their last name.

And about one percent legally change their last names to hyphenated names that include both their maiden name and a husband's last name.

Based on those numbers, the majority of women simply drop their maiden name completely.

Edit: I see Forget is right on top of it...needless to say, I agree with his last two posts.

That's just it Skip, we DO provide evidence to you in the form of hyphenated credits but it's not good enough for you. You say you only want to use the data in front of you but it seems that you also ignore it when it doesn't follow your personal opinion.

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I think the accuracy of appearance of the data is more important that ACTUAL name data

Since you think that & as you say they both look the same when in a line, then there shouldn't be any objection for those who DO want to correctly parse the name.

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Quoting Dr Pavlov:

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And many, many women don't.

That would be true in the UK, but it is not true in the US.

Skip

Again, as I previously posted, that doesn't seem to be quite right.

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Birth name as middle name

In the United States, a recently married person who changes his or her last name to his or her spouse's last name, often also changes his or her middle name to his or her birth name or adds the birth name as a second middle name. However, in daily life, he or she may choose to use only the first name and new last name, or the first name, original middle name, and new last name. Of women who change their last name at marriage, 25% use their birth surname as a middle name.

Only 1 in 4 will switch the maiden name to a middle name. That leaves 75% that don't.

Also as I previously stated, that may not be entirely accurate (it probably isn't), but I also doubt that it will be drastically different.

That's not what that says.  It says of the women who change their last name at marriage, as opposed to simply retaining their last name and not using their husband's last name at all, 1 in 4 retain their maiden name as their middle name.

It does not say of the women who take their husband's name AND retain their maiden name.

You have completely mis-interpreted the quote.

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That's just it Skip, we DO provide evidence to you in the form of hyphenated credits but it's not good enough for you. You say you only want to use the data in front of you but it seems that you also ignore it when it doesn't follow your personal opinion.

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I think the accuracy of appearance of the data is more important that ACTUAL name data

Since you think that & as you say they both look the same when in a line, then there shouldn't be any objection for those who DO want to correctly parse the name.

No forget you miss what i am saying. Proof of a hyphenated name proves NOTHING. People are free to change their name at will. That is why I have repeatedly described look for a sequence, let's say EC-K in 1999, ECK in 2003 and EC-K in 2005. The first two by them seklves proves nothing, it proves that she once hypenated her name, making it double-barrelled, it does not present anything relative to the second credit, the person may have made a personal decision to move C to middle name, we are not likely to have evidence to the contary most times, BUT the third credit while not absolutely conclusive increases the likelihood of a double-barrelled last name, making it a reasonably correct entry.

As long as the appears as it does On Screen we are good, anything else is extra Forget, remember this is not FamilyProfiler, we aren't researching family histories.

Now an additional aside to Cass re: Skop. You see Skop and you assume that it is a typo, it may well be, but how do you know that it is, follow the data. For all you know it was some sort of inside re: Skip that you don't know about, or it could be Skip's way of saying are you paying attention. If you want to interpret the data there are all kinds of possibilities, but if you follow the data there is only ONE possibility, then if you know it is Skip you simply use Credited As system to account for that.

Just follow the bouncing data bits.

Skip

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That's not what that says.  It says of the women who change their last name at marriage, as opposed to simply retaining their last name and not using their husband's last name at all, 1 in 4 retain their maiden name as their middle name.

It does not say of the women who take their husband's name AND retain their maiden name.

You have completely mis-interpreted the quote.

I am not quite sure what you are trying to say here.  If you read the sited source for the statement, which I quoted above, 95% of married women take their husbands last name as their own.  Of those women, 25% will use their maiden name as their middle name.  While that isn't 1 in 4, it is fairly close. 

What you quoted is fine and is quite clear.

Forget was arguing that many women use their maiden name along with their husband's last name as a double-barreled last name.  None of the quotes provided so far gives any insight whatsoever into how many women do this.

When I read his statement that only 1 in 4 use their maiden name as their middle name, he seems to be implying that that was low compared to the number who use their maiden name as part of a double-barreled last name when in fact nothing in the quote supports that at all.  It only means that 75% do not use it as their middle name.  Of that 75%, the vast majority simply drop it, as cited in your post.  That leads me to believe that very few actually use it with their husband's name as part of their "new" last name.

Of course, I may have been reading something into what he said that wasn't really there.