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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributoriPatsa
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In the meantime, you have the option to block any user you wish.
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In the meantime, you have the option to block any user you wish.

This is true. Unfortunately when dealing with a certain troll it makes the fourm basically unreadable. 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
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In the meantime, you have the option to block any user you wish.


True, but I like the option of maybe asking Invelos to stand by their statements that there will be a change.

In addition, blocking doesn't solve anything. You still get "FORUM MODERATOR: IDLE THREAT" posts that make no sense, and screaming from other people about bigoted statements and attacks that were made. Blocking does nothing at all about the problem, just look at the recent 8 page WW3 credits thread. Block the user. Does it change the tone of the thread? Absolutely not.

Ignoring the cancer won't cure it.

Oh, two more mod warnings today. Nothing done. Awesome.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMark Harrison
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What it really boils down to is that you can't change this specific user.  And you can't change the way this site is run and operated.  You can certainly try and nothing will change unless people try to get things to change.

Still, at the end of the day, the only part of the equation you have control over is yourself. Until something changes (if it ever does), you're just going to have to find a way to deal with it.  Some people choose to leave, others choose to use the blocking feature, others choose to skip those threads.  You'll have to find a solution that works best for you. It shouldn't come to this, but realistically, that's just the way it is.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
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I actually agree with you, Mark, but if Invelos isn't going to do something about it, I'd like them to at least admit to that or just remove the rules section, because why have rules if they aren't going to be enforced as promised.

If Ken were to say, "Hey, here's the bottom line, we won't do anything except dish out idle threats and nothing will come of them," I can deal with that. It sucks, but it's what it is now anyway, and at least it lets the forum members know that nothing will change. Honestly, enough with the false hope.

If you are going to do something, you should do it and not be so passive aggressive with the tactics. It's obvious at least one person doesn't take the "Moderator Warnings" seriously, and because that one person doesn't, no one else will either.

Yeah, some people won't change and I can't change the way the site is run and operated. But a little honesty from Ken would be nice. If you are aren't going to do anything about anything, Invelos, at least admit to it. Then at least people will know where you stand (although by the defeatist attitude that runs rampant it seems most people know that nothing will be done anyway). Don't worry, I may eventually lay down and take it, too, in a few years, but I'm not quite ready to lay down to a bigot and a bully. Sorry, just not in my nature.
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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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Since we've upped our moderation, we've handed out several temp bans including several 1-day bans and a few 3-day bans.  Longer bans will follow if necessary. 

In the last three weeks, we've had many days with nary a single post being reported.  Although it may not be as abrupt a change as you may wish, by any objective standard, the atmosphere has changed and is continuing to change for the better.
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I think two sets of rules apply, one to the person who is always being moderated and one for the rest of us. I mean, come on, a 24 hour ban? Even if that person is getting them, how can we tell? He could have just stepped away to deliver a pizza (Maybe two if they are at the same address).

Ken has more or less admitted this by instead of taking care of the problem once and for all, he's done a lot of work to pretend he's "fixing" it.
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I think two sets of rules apply, one to the person who is always being moderated and one for the rest of us.


It has been like that as far as I can remenber and unfortunately I believe it won't never change....
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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Since we've upped our moderation, we've handed out several temp bans including several 1-day bans and a few 3-day bans.  Longer bans will follow if necessary.

So why not make banns public. At the moment you are the only one who see any effects
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by any objective standard, the atmosphere has changed and is continuing to change for the better.

I just don't see that and I think that I'm not the only one.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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Since we've upped our moderation, we've handed out several temp bans including several 1-day bans and a few 3-day bans.  Longer bans will follow if necessary. 

In the last three weeks, we've had many days with nary a single post being reported.  Although it may not be as abrupt a change as you may wish, by any objective standard, the atmosphere has changed and is continuing to change for the better.


You have a user that has had nine moderated posts in two days, but is still posting. That does not feel like a better atmosphere to me, but rather "oh that's just so-and-so being so-and-so, leave him be".

If you have handed out several 1-day and 3-day bans, awesome, seriously, I mean that. But I can't get behind the "things are better" attitude when you have a shining example right here that the same crap is being spewed.
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In the last three weeks, we've had many days with nary a single post being reported.  Although it may not be as abrupt a change as you may wish, by any objective standard, the atmosphere has changed and is continuing to change for the better.

Oh, god. Here we go again.  Good lord.  You don't understand concepts. Incredible. Or you are being deliberately obtuse in an effort to create an argument. Your tone sounds like that is your intent. Your posts are as usual not only insulting and attacking but they are also incitement. Big    Practice what you preach. Otherwise, shut up and stop trying to tell someone else what they can and can't say. You don't have that right. You can feign righteous indignation all you wish, but don't start throwing rocks at someone else, you have no idea what the intent is or what is in the users mind. You make selective determinations, if so then you are a hypocrite. To you maybe it's not attack. I view it as demeaning choice of verbiage. A back-handed, using your words, term of affection meant to denigrate. A limey is a term of affection. BTW, the British are NOT a race, they are a nation of people, you have displayed disdain for Americans, yet I don't call you a racist or a bigot, both terms are wrong and insulting at best.    What makes you think i was serious? It was no more denigrating than your remark was. If you think you can just make such comments and not expect push back from it, then you are wrong. because i won't put up with it, i'll call you on it everytime.  And again the British are not a race collectively, the race of the british is by and large CAUCASIAN. Nationality has NOTHING to do with race.    Now the term limey may be SOCIALLY demeaning, but then so is some of the other terminology which is used hereabouts, which you referred to as a term of affection. Uh huh, I believe you...not...but I will accept your explanation. Sweetcheeks is not an attack, it's a word of affection. There's a difference between a word of affection and being a racist bigot.ROFLMAO, spin as you will. That is all you are doing and you can't seriously believe that to be anything but spin. the Rules are clear and not open to interpretation. Also please stop pretending that you can express anything but your opinion, you have NO first hand knowledge, Your opinion is just your opinion and a very poor one at that. Where has it been said that you have the power to make statements of opinion and make them fact. You are pushing hard and trying to not to bite you, HARD. Awwww, poor baby, always looking to be offended and insulted.

[All of the above text is from posts which I've reported in the past couple of days and which remain unmoderated. Since the texts remain, I thought you might enjoy having the texts redirected at you and see if your atmosphere still feels better. For me, it's hard to slog through and remain positive.]
...James

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There is no doubt there was a look of horror and shock on my face as I read the first part of the above post.
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There is no doubt there was a look of horror and shock on my face as I read the first part of the above post.


Indeed. I'd be surprised if it wasn't the same look I had!
Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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I still have a (relatively) young back.  I can take the criticism. 

The bottom line is that the forum rules do not demand that users always be polite.  Moderation can be taken to extremes, and if I don't want to be alone here with Katatonia and Kahless (not that that would be bad for me, but I imagine it would get boring for them), we have to allow some leeway.
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There is no doubt there was a look of horror and shock on my face as I read the first part of the above post.


Indeed. I'd be surprised if it wasn't the same look I had!

Must have matched mine.
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I think that's good that some of you were horrified and shocked that I would post such language directed at Ken. If only it were so no matter who's posting it and to whom it's directed. Sadly, many of us are numb when such language comes from an expected source and we call it "leeway".

Ken, I understand the need to not overmoderate. On the other hand, I still don't agree with your statement of "by any objective standard, the atmosphere has changed and is continuing to change for the better." There are good periods...but there are still miserable periods. For the recipients of these attacks, things are not better.

As Mark said, however, our only choice is how we respond. If I post an opinion about a contribution rule, I'm usually called a rule breaker, told how I hold my opinion above others, I've always broken the rules, yadda yadda. It gets old. The only choice I have in order to avoid attacks is to not participate. I guess by not commenting, I contribute to the betterment of the atmosphere since it elminates the reciprocal attack.   
...James

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