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Common name, outside the use of the CLT

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It is not necessary to document the source of the common name, outside the use of the CLT.  If there is a dispute over whether the credit references the same person, documentation may be necessary.  However, in most cases it is not required.

I have notified the evaluators to disregard general demands for specific documentation of common name outside the use of the CLT.

Users who prefer more rigidly documented common names are free to enforce those rules on their local data.


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Voting and contributing on profiles you don't own

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For better or for worse, we have never blocked users from contributing to profiles they don't own, nor have we blocked users from voting on contributions for profiles they don't own.  In point of fact, the practice of voting on contributions for profiles users don't own has been going on for many years.

In these cases, no, it is not likely that the users' wishlist contents is an accurate protrayal of their intent to purchase.  However it is also the case that these users are some of the most careful and accurate voters. 

Similarly, the users who take it upon themselves to improve profiles that are not in their collection are some of the most accurate contributors.

For these reasons, we have chosen not to block contributions or voting in these cases.  I'm happy to reconsider this policy if the community feels it is necessary.  However, be advised that if a change is made, it will prevent both contributing and voting, not one or the other.  This is something I have considered in the past and have developed a decently secure method of preventing extra-collection contribution/voting.  I would prefer not to implement this change as I still feel it would be detrimental to the overall database.

To recap:
- We do not (currently) prevent users from contributing or voting on profiles they don't own.
- If you are contributing to a profile that you don't own, our only requirement is that the notes submitted accurately reflect the source of the data, and state the specific profile used as the source.

Clear as mud?


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Unit crew credits

Quoting TheMovieman:
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Didn't know how else to describe this, but I'm working on a TV series and was wondering if I should include the art director (or any other crew member) under something like "New York Unit". In this one instance, the art director for the NY Unit is in the database and that person has worked before (in my collection it was a feature film).

So, do I include crews in other location units?


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Quoting Gerri Cole:
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As I read the rules, none of the Unit crew should be included. The rules state "For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column. If someone is not credited with one of these roles, do not include them in the Crew section."

That seems pretty clear to me. If I am missing something in the discussion, which is probable, let me know.

-Gerri


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007 in "James Bond" titles

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007 should not be included as part of the title of James Bond films. This has been something that people have long tried to get into the database, even from the early days. The Italian contributions that changed this should not have been accepted. It is possible that Ken feels otherwise, but from my work throughout the years, 007 has never been appropriate for the James Bond films.

It is just a symbol on the cover of the DVD/BluRay, it is not part of the title, IMO.

-Gerri


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Original Title of Foreign TV Show Season

Quoting DJ Doena:
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Hi,

I have currently a contribution that is voted no upon.

It's about the original title of a german season box of an US series.

Currently the profile says:
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Title: Eine schrecklich nette Familie: Erste Staffel
Edition: (DVD)
Original Title: Married... with Children: Season 1


I try to change it to:
Quote:

Title: Eine schrecklich nette Familie: Erste Staffel
Edition: (DVD)
Original Title: Married... with Children: First Season


because that would be the original title and a literal translation of the season indicator.

No votes state:
Quote:

"Original Title: Use the title from the film's credits." The original Original Title doesn't contain 'First Season'.

IMHO that's the wrong rules since this falls into the "foreign films" category.

Quote:

Not covered by rules for Original Title or Foreign Film (not possible with a variety of titles). Perhaps OT without season indicator acceptable.

I agree that it's not exactly covered by the rules, but there are a lot of users who have the collection list set to "original title" and need that information. And I've seen countless season profiles (outside R1 country) where it is handled this way ("original title in CoO: translated season indicator").


What does the community say?


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Quoting Gerri Cole:
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Since there is no listing under the TV Series for Original Title in the rules, it make sense to me that you would follow the rules for the title field. This would be to include the season indicator in the orginal title.

I will add this clarification to the list so that it gets updated with the next rule update.

If people disagree with this, I am open to a civil discussion as to why it is not useful to have the season indicator in this field.


Quoting Gerri Cole:
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I would suggest that you match the same text that you use in the standard title field. For simplicity's sake more than anything else. I am open to alternates if that is not what is desired.


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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting Gerri Cole:
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I would suggest that you match the same text that you use in the standard title field. For simplicity's sake more than anything else. I am open to alternates if that is not what is desired.

Wouldn't it make more sense for it to match the text that is in the original title field?

This:

Title: Eine schrecklich nette Familie: Erste Staffel
Original Title: Married... with Children: First Season

not this:

Title: Eine schrecklich nette Familie: Erste Staffel
Original Title: Married... with Children: Erste Staffel


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Quoting Gerri Cole:
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I didn't mean for you to switch languages in the field, I just mean if you have:

Title: TV Show A: Season 1
Then the original title would contain "Season 1", not  something like "First Season".

So my suggestion was to go with your first option, Unicus. I never meant to suggest the second option.


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Special characters in title

The discussion was about whether to include special characters in titles. Specific examples named were "M*A*S*H" (with asterisk), "JAG" (which has a kind of star-symbol between the letters) and "F·R·I·E·N·D·S".

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Quoting Gerri Cole:
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For the purposes of special characters in the titles, if you can type it on a normal keyboard without using an upper ASCII character, then you can use it. So in this case, M*A*S*H would work, but the dots in between the letters in FRIENDS would not be appropriate.


Quoting xradman:
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How about JAG vs. J.A.G vs. J*A*G?


Quoting Gerri Cole:
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From what I can see, JAG is a star character, which would mean that you just use the letters.


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DTS Edition

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Is listing 'DTS' as an edition correct?

I have a few profiles where this is the case. In the past when I have submitted to have it removed, it has been declined with users saying that it is stated on the cover.

For example, Minority Report (5039036014960) is listed as Minority Report: DTS. It has a DTS soundtrack and has the DTS logo above the DVD Video logo in the bottom left corner.

Seraphim Falls (5051429101224) also has a DTS soundtrack and the DTS logo on the front cover, but is listed as just Seraphim Falls.

Finally, X-Men 2 (5039036015035) also has a DTS soundtrack and the DTS logo on the back cover and is listed as X-Men 2: One-Disc Edition.

To clarify the point I'm trying to make; can you get specific DTS editions? This information can already be filtered easily, nor does it state on the cover specifically that is is a DTS Edition. You could then argure the title should be Minority Report: DVD Video?


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Quoting Gerri Cole:
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I went back and approved it. All the DVDs for that locality that have audio tracks listed (which is all but one) have a DTS track. The only one that does not is a promotional DVD. So I don't think the DTS in the edition field distinguishes this DVD from any of the others.

-Gerri

Quoting Gerri Cole:
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DTS is a built in selection, but in this case the DTS does not distiguish this DVD from others, so it is inappropriate to use it in this case. Removing it is not against the rules.

I would agree that it seems outdated to have this as a built in - at one point it was unusual or distinguishing but not so much anymore.

-Gerri


Imho the essential:
Quoting Gerri Cole:
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In this case, nothing was written on the cover. In the case where there is something like WIDESCREEN COLLECTION written on the cover, I think it needs to be included. The rule would end up being too subjective and hard to judge if you tried to apply the rule in such a way that if there are no DVDs out that don't include that feature then don't include it in the edition field even if it is on the cover. Doesn't mean the rule can't change, that is just my opinion.

-Gerri


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Accolades in overview

Quoting widescreenforever:
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I'm submitting an 'extended' Overview for Rain Man as I feel the first two lines of Overview which contain the same sized fonts should be included as it separates itself from the very top two super enlarged Fonts that 'advertise' the Movie and this part of the overview would be a 'prequel' to the rest of the overview that is separated by the  'window' in the center of the jacket .  It also illustrates the trademark R and the subsequent footnotes below I have circled .
As well the Newsweek review would be just as instrumental in its review here as Joel Siegel's review for the bottom part . I've circled all the areas of interest for analysis.
Getting some negative feedback and I think I'm in the right here.. 


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Quoting Ken Cole:
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The one thing that makes this case uncertain is the physical separation of the bottom overview are from what could be considered the start, above the image.  The rules don't say anything about physical separation, but nor do they say anything about a different font, color, or anything else that could be a separator.  In fact all they say is essentially don't include it in the overview if it's not part of the overview.  Seems less than helpful in this context.

If this is a relatively unique case, I'd say let the voters decide it.  If it is more common, let's examine some more examples and if necessary I'll make a ruling.


Quoting Ken Cole:
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The rules don't specify what specific characteristics to look for when determining what is part of the overview.  That doesn't mean that physical separation and font/color cannot be used for determining this.


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Partial contributions

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Quoting Gerri Cole:
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From an Invelos standpoint, there is nothing wrong with a partial contribution. Any accurate data is better than no data at all.

As someone said, it isn't a contest, so there is no need to worry about "inflating your numbers".


Quoting Gerri Cole:
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Quoting Pantheon:
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Quoting Gerri Cole:
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From an Invelos standpoint, there is nothing wrong with a partial contribution. Any accurate data is better than no data at all.

As someone said, it isn't a contest, so there is no need to worry about "inflating your numbers".


Which is what I said.

There is nothing wrong with partial contributions and it is to be actively encouraged.

I was merely expressing a personal opinion that I would like to see more users filling in all the blanks they can (so to speak).

I would also like to point out that there are a lot of users who already do as I suggest - as evidenced by the contributions I see for voting. It would just be nice if more people did the same. After all this is a user built database and selfishness will not improve it....which is the very reason I returned to contributing after a decision to stop.  I just don't have it in me to keep my work to myself - if I've done it then I want everyone else to benefit from it too.


I agree with you. Very well said.



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"On-Demand" DVDs from WB, or similar

Quoting Eagle:
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Knowing the member base around here, I'm surprised this wasn't posted earlier.

Warner Bros is launching an on-demand service which will eventually give you the ability to custom order a DVD from their entire 6800 film catalog!  Read the article here.  I think this is a great idea, at a good price.  Hopefully this will encourage more studios to follow suit. 

The interesting part will be how to profile these discs!    Obviously, there won't be a UPC code, so I'm thinking by Disc ID.  But, will the Disc ID be the same for two people who order the same film or will each order generate a new ID#?  Only time will tell.


Quoting VibroCount:
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There's no reason for us not to list these. The D.I. has a UPC, plays on my laptop and otherwise meets our criteria.


Statement:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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Just to put a stamp on it, yes these are fully OK to contribute.


Hotlinked from http://thumbs.dreamstime.com!

Hopefully the UPCs remain unique.

On a related note, how do you catch a unique rabbit?  You 'neak up on it!
How do you catch a tame rabbit?  The tame way!


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Missprint, stickered UPC

Quoting cadwal:
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Hi,

I was just about to register this Blu-ray disc in Profiler and got a surprise: Instead of the swedish BR release of "The Duchess" it said "Nim's Island".

Now, thinking about it, media companies must have made this mistake earlier so how do I enter this "new" UPC into Profiler, this can't be the first time it happens?

/Ulf


Quoting Kinoniki:
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The media company knew they had made a mistake, that's why they put a sticker with the correct EAN for The Duchess on the outside of the shrink wrap: 7312230505945

Unfortunately you can't produce a matching scan if you have thrown the sticker away... (as I did). So if you contribute this, be sure to mention why the EAN doesn't match the cover in your notes.


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Quoting Ken Cole:
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Although it would be more convenient for these one-off mistake printings, I don't want to open the can of worms that would make stickered UPCs an official alternate entry ID.  In this case, if the printing is an error perhaps the distributor will correct it in subsequent runs.  In the mean time, disc ID is the suggested entry method.

Quoting Ken Cole:
Quote:
If the sticker is inside the shrinkwrap, I would have no problem accepting it as an alternate UPC.  However, if that conflicts with a different release now or in the future, it will likely be overwritten.


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Verifying Dual Layer

Quoting m.cellophane:
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I checked my contributions today and saw I was getting grief (3 'no' votes out of 5) for trying to add a disc ID with the dual layer check box selected and I had not specified the source for the dual layer. Cries that I'm trying to be above the rules, etc.

I hadn't thought that I needed to specify the source since the program automatically determines the layers.  This feature came in with 3.5: "Dual-layered setting is now read automatically from disc scans."

I guess in theory I could have been attempting to override the program by checking the box on a single layer disc (which was a Blu-ray btw), but do we really need to document that we're using DVD Profiler? 


Statement:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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Version 3.5's results can be submitted without further verification, however note that the disc automatically added to a new profile added by Disc ID does not correctly set the DL flag.  Discs added or set from the DVD->Edit window do set this flag.

This oversight is corrected in the upcoming 3.6, but until then please scan them from the DVD->Edit window.


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Filters for studios

Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer
Warner Bros.

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The current Warner Bros. filter changes "Warner Brothers" and "Warner Bros" to "Warner Bros."  And, to start, I've added one to change "Metro Goldwyn Mayer" to "Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer"


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Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment

Statement:
Quoting Ken Cole:
Quote:
I've added a contribution filter to change "20th Century Fox Home Entertainment" to "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment"


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Data copied from third party database

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Allow me to clear up any misconceptions.  We don't have anything against IMDB - in fact the opposite - we have admiration for their efforts and see value in allowing our users quick access via menu option to their site.  Similarly, we link to a variety of other sites (rottentomatoes, metacritic, apple, youtube, wikipedia, yahoo, etc) via the profile links feature.  Linking to these sites is a win-win - it generates some amount of traffic for them and provides value to our users.

What we do not allow is submission of data copied from any third party database in violation of that database's policy.  If you would like that policy changed you are welcome to discuss it with those third parties.  In the mean time our hands are tied and we will not be party to what amounts to data theft.

So, copying the cast from IMDB is not allowed.  Nor is (for instance) copying the text of a review from rottentomatoes and submitting it as your own via the review submission feature.  We respect copyright and licensing, and are very familiar with the effort and resources that go into maintaining user-submitted databases of this size.  We will not budge on this policy.

Note that this policy covers the online database (contribution) system only.  As previously mentioned, we do not attempt to control any aspect of the data you keep locally.  That is between you and whatever data source you choose.

I hope that clears things up.


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Contribution notes for submitting new birth years

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In your contributions, you provided many links to sources for birth years, but you did not specify enough information about the actors themselves in the notes. In your notes, you should include which movies and or roles each person was in. You don't have to list them all, but you need to list something. "Actor X in movie Y is not the same as the producer of movie Z who also has name X", and also provide links to support both of their birth years, or at least the birth year you are adding.


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Easter Eggs in movies as Easter Eggs in profile

Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I voted no to an Easter Egg addition for Star Trek (UPC: 097363485049). The contributor is adding that R2D2 is spotted in the movie during one of the scenes...

Rules for Easter Egg:
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Easter Eggs are extra features hidden on the disc and not accessible through an obvious menu option. Be sure to match language of the Easter eggs to the profile's locality.


The contributor is providing where it is and a link to a screencap from the movie. And also stating that it was accepted to another profile.

Now...
My line of thinking. While this is an interesting little piece of trivia... it is not a hidden feature on the disc. So I am in the belief this is breaking the rules for Easter Eggs. The fact that it was accepted in another profile is in my opinion changes nothing. We all know wrong info slip in all the time... as well as the fact that Gerri herself stated that they do let some errors in if it is part of a bigger contribution.

In my opinion... what is the difference between this and other movies where it is noted that movie posters for other films the cast/crew worked on was put in... or I remember there was one movie where you saw Freddy Krueger's glove in a movie that had nothing to do with him.

I really think this is not a special feature of the disc as the rules state... and opens the door to changing the Easter Eggs field into a trivia field.

Thoughts?


Statement:
Quoting Gerri Cole:
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The fact that R2D2 is in the movie should not be submitted as an Easter Egg. This is not an Easter egg.

-Gerri


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