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"Common Name" problem! |
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| Registered: May 2, 2009 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 490 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe we could create our own online database for cast and crew names, then?
If we did that, we could us it as a reference when or if we were to start linking names.
Instead of creating topics for a "common name", we would rather collect those different names and link them together so that all of them meant the same person, and none of the names were "wrong" or not preferred. If the name wasn't spelled wrong, of course.
All of this would be added to our own online name database, which would be exclusively used by and for DVDP users.
Also, it doesn't take "everyone" to do this.
If we still have the CLT and just common sense as well, we could eliminate erroneous entries and maybe with time we could prevent such data to be submitted in the first place, in like 95% of the cases where there's the risk.
To me this doesn't seem impossible at all, and even if it would take time, it would be rewarding in the end, because we didn't have to worry about "common names" again like we do now. Or have to worry about "The Rock" (who to me is Dwayne Johnson) or Rebecca Romijn and that their lives in fact affect our precious database. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
While I love iafd as well, they are far from perfect and I find more errors there the more classic porn I download.
Agree the 1970's part of the database had a lot of error, but I think it's understandable since it was a criminal activity in those times. Starting in the mid-eighties they are more reliable since the industry started to keep information on the actors in a central database (mostly from Mike South and Suze Randall). That's why my principal source is my eyes... I'm always happy to find someone in a film who is not mention in any database (by exemple Angela Carnon who is the interviewer in Sex in the Comics) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote:
Maybe we could create our own online database for cast and crew names, then?
Well there is this. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: May 2, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 490 |
| | Posted: | | | | @Kinoniki:
OK. That's a start. But it needs to be more of a database and a project which you can apply to join and participate in.
Not only linked to creating a topic in a forum.
Also, we need to collect the data and link it together in a more direct way. This is just text on a website. Not a database. For example, every database is searchable.
If we don't tie the names together at the same time and also give the names some kind of unique, collective ID (for each individual), the database is useless. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote:
@Kinoniki:
OK. That's a start. But it needs to be more of a database and a project which you can apply to join and participate in.
Not only linked to creating a topic in a forum.
Also, we need to collect the data and link it together in a more direct way. This is just text on a website. Not a database. For example, every database is searchable.
If we don't tie the names together at the same time and also give the names some kind of unique, collective ID (for each individual), the database is useless. That sounds more like something that Invelos would have to do, unfortunately our hands are pretty much tied until Ken decides to make the changes, if he ever does. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,329 |
| | Posted: | | | | yup... that is a change that would have to come from Invelos. As it is he has not shown any interest in doing anything but the most commonly credited form of the name. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: May 2, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 490 |
| | Posted: | | | | OK. So either Ken fixes it, or the database will stay like it is, will all its problems. Because there is no doubt that there ARE problems, and that these problems create irritation, LOTS of extra work, and a flawed database.
I couldn't blame myself, or that many others, for that this problem exists. Even more annoying if I or no one else can do anything about it either.
IMO he should really listen to us.
Its a fact that the common name idea is not a solution and it's not going to work. Ever.
If anyone doubts it, there is no other major movie database (that I know of) which has only one "common name" for one person. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote:
IMO he should really listen to us.
This is also what I think. The problem is that when a user complains about bad linking, we have a bunch of very voicy users that speak of "beaten dead horses" and "complaining users", that give to Ken the feeling that most people are happy. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
The problem is that when a user complains (...) we have a bunch of very voicy users that speak of "beaten dead horses" and "complaining users", that give to Ken the feeling that most people are happy. I know this feeling  Killing the messenger because you don't agree with him/her (or don't want to understand the logic of his/her point) is the usual way arround here  | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote:
there is no other major movie database (that I know of) which has only one "common name" for one person. No: instead, EVERY SINGLE other movie database (that I know of) has only one "common name" for every person.  |
| | Registered: August 4, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,421 |
| | | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
No: instead, EVERY SINGLE other movie database (that I know of) has only one "common name" for every person. I agree with T!M here, all the database must use one common name to represent a performer or a crewman (imdb does it this way, iafd does it this way, egafd does it this way, my database does it this way and even your database does it this way). The only exception I've seen to this is the old DVDP 2.x database where all the different alias of a performer/crewmen were one cast/crew name because of the absence of the "credited as" field. Of course this isn't the exemple to follow. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
I agree with T!M here, all the database must use one common name to represent a performer or a crewman ... But in fact, most database use "real name", which avoids many errors when we use as a common name something that never existed, even in credits (bad transcription of capitalized letters). | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting AESP_pres:
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I agree with T!M here, all the database must use one common name to represent a performer or a crewman ...
But in fact, most database use "real name", which avoids many errors when we use as a common name something that never existed, even in credits (bad transcription of capitalized letters). Sorry, No they don't, they usually use the name under which the cast-/crew-member was credited first (or at least was first entered into their databases). Check (as just a few examples): Gordon Sumner -> Sting Nicholas Kim Coppola -> Nicholas Cage Marion Robert Morrison -> John Wayne or (to move a bit closer to your aim) Zoë Saldaña which in most databases is listed as Zoe Saldana, while the most credited variant seems to be Zoë Saldana No database that's worth mentioning would use the "real name" as common name, because many actors simply wouldn't be found, or does anyone (without having to use Google) know the real name of DMX?? | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
But in fact, most database use "real name", which avoids many errors when we use as a common name something that never existed, even in credits (bad transcription of capitalized letters). You can't say "errors", as the "error" depends on the basis you're working from. If your basis is the "real" name, then yes, any variant on that real name is an error. But if the basis is the most-credited form, as it currently is for DVD Profiler purposes, then that "real" name of yours may very well be the one in error. It's all a matter of perspective. For DVD Profiler, the most-credited form is the "correct" form. Again, though, let me stress that I'm not saying our system is perfect - it's not. But I haven't seen any indication that it's going to change anytime soon, and so I do my best to try to work with what we've got to the very best of my ability. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
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Nicholas Kim Coppola -> Nicholas Cage
Marion Robert Morrison -> John Wayne
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I thought I had already sufficiently explained my position (beaten dead horses ???) not to see it so stupidly interpreted. I always said that real name is not birth name, but name used by the actor (actress) while his (her) career, which include stage names.I also know that this real name may change (Robin Penn...), but in 99% of cases, there is no doubt. First let us correct all the accented names and put asian names in normal order, and most of work will be done. After that, we could find solutions for Robin Wright-Penn or similar... | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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