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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
Registered: March 15, 2007
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Plus... I always thought it was based on the DVD content...

It sure explains the false rating created to please 2 or 3 users. Not really since it's an interpretation of the DVD content forced fed to all of us. Just like this adult genre is
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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Every genre is an interpretation of the DVD Content. And just like always we are free to use what is in the online database... or we are free to keep it as we please locally.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantpauls42
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having read the thread, I thought the point of the Genre = Adult, was purely so the program could filter out these profiles both within the on-line (if that option was chosen) and within the program using Tools / Parental control so that adults could choose what their children could see (e.g. cover).
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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... or we are free to keep it as we please locally.

No, since the next time I will update the database files the program change will be force on me. It sucks that as a paid costumer I can't upgrade because of a couple of users...
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having read the thread, I thought the point of the Genre = Adult, was purely so the program could filter out these profiles both within the on-line (if that option was chosen) and within the program using Tools / Parental control so that adults could choose what their children could see (e.g. cover).

I don't need a stranger taking arbitrary decision to told me what I can or can't do with my stuff or to tell me if my movies are for adult or not.
You can choose if a profile will be shown or not in the personalize section of it.

No need of some confusing non sense to do it...
But I'm in a minority here who get it...
Why I loose my time against in this fruitless discussion?
The hell with it I've better things to do...
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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No, since the next time I will update the database files the program change will be force on me. It sucks that as a paid costumer I can't upgrade because of a couple of users...

Again, maybe I am missing something, but upgrading the program doesn't force you to use that genre.  I upgraded and, unless I unlock my profiles and accept the genre change, will never see it.

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I don't need a stranger taking arbitrary decision to told me what I can or can't do with my stuff or to tell me if my movies are for adult or not.

No, you don't, and neither do I, but this isn't about what you or I need.  This is about what Ken has to do, to cover his butt, so that some idiot with an agenda doesn't try and sue him out of existence.

I notice that google has placed an adult content warning on your blog.  What Ken is doing here is no different.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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having read the thread, I thought the point of the Genre = Adult, was purely so the program could filter out these profiles both within the on-line (if that option was chosen) and within the program using Tools / Parental control so that adults could choose what their children could see (e.g. cover).

Indeed, that is exactly the point of the Adult genre.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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I notice that google has placed an adult content warning on your blog.  What Ken is doing here is no different.

It isn't Google who does it, it's me

But it's real adult content and I know everything that is on my blog, so my decision is a logical one and not an arbitrary one done by a screener with no clue except a cover and a title.
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This is the second time someone has made that kind of statement.  First, how do you know it was arbitrary?  It took me very little effort to figure out what this film was about and can see how some would consider it 'adult'.  Second, while it is easy to blame them, I am quite sure the screeners are doing exactly what Ken has told them to do.

I know that Ken has a family and, while I may not agree with everything he does, I understand his desire to play it as safe as possible.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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If they own all the movies ever released in the world I will remove my arbitrary comment. If they don't they judge on a title and a cover (the same as you do) and this is arbitrary by definition.

I never had a problem with the idea of protecting the children (I don't even know from where that came from). But it is something that each user can decide by himself, the software can do it locally and you can do it by personalizing your info for the online database (as shown in the last picture I've posted). This isn't something that had to be force fed to everybody. Who am I to told you (general you) that your teenager can't watch American Pie? Who are you (against a general one) to told me that my teenager can't watch Ilsa?

Like I say it's personal bussiness, I don't need a nameless screener to told me what I can or can't do.

It just sad that you had decided already that you are against what I wrote anyway...
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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If you don't own the DVD in question, then they won't show up in your database. So, isn't your arguments against such data irrelevant? How can children, or anyone else for that matter, see something that isn't there?
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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If they own all the movies ever released in the world I will remove my arbitrary comment. If they don't they judge on a title and a cover (the same as you do) and this is arbitrary by definition.

Actually, I looked up several reviews of the film.  While not the same as watching it, it is far from arbitrary.  Even if it were, as this is Ken's software and database, he is well within his rights to be as arbitrary as he wants.

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I never had a problem with the idea of protecting the children (I don't even know from where that came from).

I never said you had a problem with the idea of protecting children.  I was talking about Ken protecting his family from some nut with an agenda who decided to sue because there were no parental controls in the software.

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But it is something that each user can decide by himself, the software can do it locally and you can do it by personalizing your info for the online database (as shown in the last picture I've posted). This isn't something that had to be force fed to everybody. Who am I to told you (general you) that your teenager can't watch American Pie? Who are you (against a general one) to told me that my teenager can't watch Ilsa?

Who is telling you that your teenager can't watch Ilsa?  Unless I have missed something somewhere, all you are being told is that, for the main db, movies like this have to have 'adult' set as the genre.  If you don't want to set them that way in your local, you don't have to...you just can't contribute them that way.

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Like I say it's personal bussiness, I don't need a nameless screener to told me what I can or can't do.

How you keep it in your local is personal bussiness, and nobody is telling you what you can or can't do where that is concerned.  For the main database, however, we are all being told what we can and can't do.  Some users prefer IMDb mined cast and crew.  That is fine for their local, but they can't contribute it.  I don't like my cast in alphabetical order or order of appearance, but if I want to contribute, I have to enter them that way.  Marking these kinds of films as 'adult' is no different.

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It just sad that you had decided already that you are against what I wrote anyway...

I suppose I could say the same thing.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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If you don't own the DVD in question, then they won't show up in your database. So, isn't your arguments against such data irrelevant? How can children, or anyone else for that matter, see something that isn't there?

First, it isn't my argument.  I am just stating my opinion on what I think Ken is doing.  Second, I don't have parental controls set in my program, so I don't know how it deals with things such as 'Search by Title'...or any other online function for that matter.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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If you don't own the DVD in question, then they won't show up in your database. So, isn't your arguments against such data irrelevant? How can children, or anyone else for that matter, see something that isn't there?

First, it isn't my argument.  I am just stating my opinion on what I think Ken is doing.  Second, I don't have parental controls set in my program, so I don't know how it deals with things such as 'Search by Title'...or any other online function for that matter.


Since I was speaking generically, I should have posted (instead of "...your argument...") "So, isn't the argument against such data irrelevant".

I'm sorry TheMadMartin if you thought I was specifically addressing you and your comments.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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Even if it were, as this is Ken's software and database, he is well within his rights to be as arbitrary as he wants.

Sorry it isn't his database. It the users database, without the free working contributors the database won't exist at all.
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I was talking about Ken protecting his family from some nut with an agenda who decided to sue because there were no parental controls in the software.

But there are already a parental control in the offline and the online database set in the software... You just don't want to understand it (is it that hard to open DVDP and look by yourself what I say)
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Who is telling you that your teenager can't watch Ilsa?

The way the database is set and the number of inconsistance in it told me so.
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For the main database, however, we are all being told what we can and can't do.

Sorry I ain't a puppet and if I think that something is badly done and can be improve I will tell it. I won't sing and praise like a robot that everything is perfect and fine...
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I suppose I could say the same thing.

Not really since I haven't wrote before in the thread that I am against an idea because it's your idea (directly or indirectly),
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Since I was speaking generically, I should have posted (instead of "...your argument...") "So, isn't the argument against such data irrelevant".

I'm sorry TheMadMartin if you thought I was specifically addressing you and your comments.

No worries.  Simple misunderstanding. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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This is the second time someone has made that kind of statement.  First, how do you know it was arbitrary?  It took me very little effort to figure out what this film was about and can see how some would consider it 'adult'.  Second, while it is easy to blame them, I am quite sure the screeners are doing exactly what Ken has told them to do.

I know that Ken has a family and, while I may not agree with everything he does, I understand his desire to play it as safe as possible.

Then why aren't film series like Hostel or Saw marked as adult? They are far more explicit that anything I've seen in the Ilsa series. And why only the first title? From what I understand all other Ilsa titles the OP submitted were allowed without the "adult" addition.

We need a defined description of what Invelos considers an "adult" title otherwise we are only working on opinion and supposition and assumptions.
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