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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Good day, Sirs,
I am working on crew data and forgot if we add:
Music Supervisor?
Additional Re-recording Mixer?
Associate Special Effects Supervisor?
Special Effects Crew?
Love, bbbbb | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Music Supervisor= I don't think so, but not 100% sure.
Additional Re-recording Mixer= I don't think so.
Associate Special Effects Supervisor - Not that I can tell.
Special Effects Crew= If they are credited as Special Effects Crew then No. But if they are a group simply credited with Special Effects then Yes. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Additional NO
Associate NO
Music Supervisor, I would say no for the following reason. Does he compose Music...No...does he write songs...No....does he do Themes.....ummmm No.....he does OTHER as it relates to profiler in Music. So I don't think he can be listed
And Cubby has SFX right. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Regarding Music Supervisor taken from the rules Quote:
Do include "Supervising" credits in the above categories, examples: "Supervising Art Director", "Makeup Supervisor", except where explicity forbidden above.
Since music supervisor isn't explicitly forbidden like production supervisor, it is allowed. In addition, in a lot of older cartoon shorts, the credit is used for the exact same job as a job that was given the credit 'music by' in later cartoon shorts. | | | 
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
Regarding Music Supervisor taken from the rules
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Do include "Supervising" credits in the above categories, examples: "Supervising Art Director", "Makeup Supervisor", except where explicity forbidden above.
Since music supervisor isn't explicitly forbidden like production supervisor, it is allowed.
In addition, in a lot of older cartoon shorts, the credit is used for the exact same job as a job that was given the credit 'music by' in later cartoon shorts. The question I would have, is where do we include it. He did not compose or arrange the music for the film so not composer He did not write songs so not a song writer he did not write a theme so not a theme writer. While I agree, by the rules, it would appear to be allowed, the function of music supervisor does not fit within any of the categories. Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You said it better than I, Charlie.
Since he mentioned it I would say the same thing applies to Production Executive, while it may be allowed, it doesn't fit, therefore at this time it is meaningless. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,847 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
While I agree, by the rules, it would appear to be allowed, the function of music supervisor does not fit within any of the categories. If we're allowed to enter "Music Supervisor" then I would argue that profiles for many older films would be allowed the "Musical Director" credit, as a Director and a Supervisor are essentially the same thing. Do we think "Musical Director" is a contributable role? --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have no idea what a modern day musical supervisor does. I only talk about cartoon shorts. Take Oliver Wallace as an example. He was a well known composer and conductor and composed the music for lots of the Disney cartoon shorts. His first credits was as Music Supervisor. In the 1950s that was changed to Music by (I guess that was because it was a change in how the credit was given). He still did the exact same work that he did when he was credited as Music Supervisor. Based on that, I still think Music Supervisor, at least the old, pre 1950s, type, is a valid credit. For newer movies, I wouldn't list it though. | | |
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't at this time, scott, for the same reasons explained for Supervisor. If Ken adds it to the Program and then the Rules in the future, I would have no problem with it, but I don't see it fitting anywhere right now. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Since he mentioned it I would say the same thing applies to Production Executive, while it may be allowed, it doesn't fit, therefore at this time it is meaningless. Production executive isn't allowed since it's not credited as supervisor/supervising and not listed in the crew chart. If you were intended to talk about production supervisor, that role is explicitly disallowed in the crew chart. | | |
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
I have no idea what a modern day musical supervisor does. I only talk about cartoon shorts.
Take Oliver Wallace as an example. He was a well known composer and conductor and composed the music for lots of the Disney cartoon shorts.
His first credits was as Music Supervisor. In the 1950s that was changed to Music by (I guess that was because it was a change in how the credit was given). He still did the exact same work that he did when he was credited as Music Supervisor.
Based on that, I still think Music Supervisor, at least the old, pre 1950s, type, is a valid credit.
For newer movies, I wouldn't list it though. Reybr: Then that I would say is a personal call, not an Online call today, I understand what you're saying and obviously know and understand the importance of Oliver Wallace, but you are applying a conditionaland that only serves to confuse. Should ken add it in the future, good , if he doesn't OK, you know we can argue "importance" of many people we don't currently track. Maurice Binder for the creation of the now legendary James Bond credits, or Music PERFORMERS, is Shirley Basssey less important than Newley/Bricusse or John Barry. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Music Supervisor? No. The "Composer" credit in DVD Profiler is only "Used for the composer of the film's Original Score". Quote:
Additional Re-recording Mixer? No "Additional" anything. Quote:
Associate Special Effects Supervisor? No "Associate" anything. Quote:
Special Effects Crew? This is the most difficult one, since, frankly, the rules on this don't make any sense. The exact same bunch of people, doing the exact same job, is occasionally credited as just "Special Effects", or as "Special Effects Technicians", or as "Special Effects Crew". Additionally, the leader of the pack is often credited as "Special Effects Foreman". As it stands, CubbyUps is right in saying that only true "Special Effects" credits are allowed, but every time I get to enter six "Special Effects" credits but am forced to leave out the "Special Effects Foreman" listed right before that bunch of six, I can't help thinking something's wrong. Same when I just audited a movie where I did get to enter six "Special Effects" credit, and then I recognize those same names in the next movie I'm auditing, but now they're called "Special Effects Technicians", and I'm suddenly supposed to leave them out. All in all, I don't think it makes much sense - I'd rather track all of them or none of them - but as it stands, I would not contribute "Special Effects Crew" into the database. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting bbbbb:
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Music Supervisor?
No. The "Composer" credit in DVD Profiler is only "Used for the composer of the film's Original Score".
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Additional Re-recording Mixer?
No "Additional" anything.
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Associate Special Effects Supervisor?
No "Associate" anything.
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Special Effects Crew?
This is the most difficult one, since, frankly, the rules on this don't make any sense. The exact same bunch of people, doing the exact same job, is occasionally credited as just "Special Effects", or as "Special Effects Technicians", or as "Special Effects Crew". Additionally, the leader of the pack is often credited as "Special Effects Foreman". As it stands, CubbyUps is right in saying that only true "Special Effects" credits are allowed, but every time I get to enter six "Special Effects" credits but am forced to leave out the "Special Effects Foreman" listed right before that bunch of six, I can't help thinking something's wrong. Same when I just audited a movie where I did get to enter six "Special Effects" credit, and then I recognize those same names in the next movie I'm auditing, but now they're called "Special Effects Technicians", and I'm suddenly supposed to leave them out. All in all, I don't think it makes much sense - I'd rather track all of them or none of them - but as it stands, I would not contribute "Special Effects Crew" into the database.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | So let me get this straight.
Oliver Wallace, if credited as 'music by', should be entered?
Oliver Wallace, if credited as 'music supervisor' should not be entered?
Even if the rules allows supervisors and even though he does the exact same job with both the credits?
To me that doesn't make any sense at all! (Especially when I think of 'Costume Supervisors' or 'wardrobe' in newer movies that are entered as Costume Designers when they have nothing to do with the design of the costumes. Yes I know they are allowed, but imo that was a bad ruling) | | |
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity | | | | Last edited: by reybr |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Correct, reybr. Simple it's not hard.
Music Supervisor does NOT fit Composer under the Rules and even the actual description of Music SUPERVISOR, he doesn't fit Theme either does he, nor does he fit Song Writer. The only thing he fits in Music is OTHER. It is very easy and I would argue far easier and less confusing than your conditional of if this yes, if that no. Now do I think that Ken should add Music supervisor, sure why not, it's seems to be a fairly important in today's industry. I track them, in my collection, under OTHER with a Custom Role so I know what it is.
It's not hard, take your personal wishes out of it, reybr and just look at it pragmatically. Maybe someday, but not now. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's not hard at all, but does it make any sense? Not in my opinion. Good thing is that the rules allow it to be entered. | | |
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