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Question about Editions
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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I currently seem to have a minor problem with understanding the rules would you all please help me.

Title "A" has two releases with two EANs. One release has one disc the other has two discs.
Sadly except for the EAN they are practically indistinguishable. Nowhere on the cover does it say either "2-Disc" or (for the other release) "Single Disc" Edition.

The rules say:
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It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. If you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.


The way I understand the rules if the desired "Edition" doesn't show up in the pull-down menu the edition to be entered has to be taken from cover (back/front or spine). If there's nothing to be found the edition field has to be left empty.

Am I wrong?
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributoriPatsa
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Just playing the devils advocate here, but note that the rules say "DVD box", not the cover. If the "box" holds two discs, you have taken the data from the box. 
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Since it doesn't say anything, it should be left open. With another version to distigush from, it gets more grey.

If you'd prefer it to mention 2-disc, do it and keep it local.
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This situation isn't a whole lot different from all the reissues Warner has been putting out, changing from snapper cases to keep cases.  Everything else, including the artwork is identical, just a different UPC.

If our mission is to populate the edition field to differentiate from all possible releases of the same title, we have a mountain of catching up to do.
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I'd leave the field empty.
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Somewhere on the cover, it does not necessarily be the front cover, there may be some indication, maybe in small print, that there is a 2nd disc in the box. This indicator may be used in the edition field.
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Quoting RHo:
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Somewhere on the cover, it does not necessarily be the front cover, there may be some indication, maybe in small print, that there is a 2nd disc in the box. This indicator may be used in the edition field.

I would have accepted any hint on a second disc anywhere on the package.
There is none.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Silemnce:

IF there is no edition then don't create one, the data doesn't support it. The only distinguishing characteristic is such a case would be the UPC#. What titles are involved so we can do the research.
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Quoting RHo:
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Somewhere on the cover, it does not necessarily be the front cover, there may be some indication, maybe in small print, that there is a 2nd disc in the box. This indicator may be used in the edition field.

Rho:

That is your oipinion but that is NOT the purpose of the Edition, that is PLAINLY marked usually on the front covver then there is no edition. Note that i said PLAINLY marked, some users will pull it from the back in cases where, say Widescreen is in a banner on the back, I consider that outside the parameters of the Rules and use ONLY the Front Cover for Edition data, but in small print...not a chance.
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Quoting Winston Smith:
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Rho:

That is your oipinion but that is NOT the purpose of the Edition, that is PLAINLY marked usually on the front covver then there is no edition. Note that i said PLAINLY marked, some users will pull it from the back in cases where, say Widescreen is in a banner on the back, I consider that outside the parameters of the Rules and use ONLY the Front Cover for Edition data, but in small print...not a chance.

That is your opinion but that is not what the rule says.  As to the purpose of the edition, that is spelled out in the rule and nowhere does it say that it must be plainly marked nor does it say it has to be on the front cover....the box, yes, the front cover, no.
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Once again Martian on this issue I think I have e better clue as to the objective, sorry. Yes it is my opinion that the data should not come from the back cover even in a banner, why...because i wrote it and no what we were trying to achieve and the back banners were exceedingly rare oor they would have been mentioned as unacceptable in the rule, but to try and claim fine print as acceptab,e...not a chance. The typical edition is on the front cover and that is VALID data we are trying to capture. I know what your standard reply is going to be so it is not necessary to give it. Sorry, pal. You don't have to like it and you can twist and turn any way you wish to spin it your way and I am sure you will, but that is an area that you weren't involved in in Team #2.

BTW, had I realized that people would insert Widescreen or Widescreen Edition into all such titles we would have probably tried to minimize that as well and narrow it down to more specific info...but I don't read minds to well.
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I am astounded at the holes that, frankly, that people have found to try and take advantage of the Rules for their own purposes and in retrospect that falls on me. The original draft of the Rules was well over 50 pages and looking at many of the forum postings was a whole lot more clear. But some of my colleagues persuaded me to try and get down to a more "manageable" number of pages and tghe final draft was 27 pages and lost a lot of the clarity along the way. I personally felt that it would be manageable as to clarity and definition...it did not turn out that way.
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I don't often do that, but I have to agree with Skip on this one. If you use an edition for contribution purposes it should be something you find in "big red letters" on the cover and not something that you find in tiny letters in the copyright section of the cover.

Just because a movie is presented in 2.35:1 doesn't make it the "Widescreen Edition" of that particular DVD.
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Quoting Winston Smith:
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Once again Martian on this issue I think I have e better clue as to the objective, sorry. Yes it is my opinion that the data should not come from the back cover even in a banner, why...because i wrote it and no what we were trying to achieve and the back banners were exceedingly rare oor they would have been mentioned as unacceptable in the rule, but to try and claim fine print as acceptab,e...not a chance. The typical edition is on the front cover and that is VALID data we are trying to capture.

You may have a better clue as to what your objective was, but that objective did not make it into the rule.  As written, if you are using something other than the editions built into the program, it can come from anywhere on the box.
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I know what your standard reply is going to be so it is not necessary to give it. Sorry, pal. You don't have to like it and you can twist and turn any way you wish to spin it your way and I am sure you will, but that is an area that you weren't involved in in Team #2.

There is no need to twist and turn anything as this rule is fairly clear.  You don't have to like it, but it is a fact.
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BTW, had I realized that people would insert Widescreen or Widescreen Edition into all such titles we would have probably tried to minimize that as well and narrow it down to more specific info...but I don't read minds to well.

This tells me that what you intended, and what Ken intended, are two very different things as 'Widescreen' and 'Full-Screen Edition' are specific examples of valid editions.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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I don't often do that, but I have to agree with Skip on this one. If you use an edition for contribution purposes it should be something you find in "big red letters" on the cover and not something that you find in tiny letters in the copyright section of the cover.

There is a difference between what should be, and what is.  While that may be how it should be, and I don't believe it should, that isn't how it is...at least that isn't how the rule is written.
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Just because a movie is presented in 2.35:1 doesn't make it the "Widescreen Edition" of that particular DVD.

You are correct.  Per the rule, 'Widescreen Edition', because it isn't one of the built-in selections, needs to be printed on the box in order for it to be a valid edition.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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I don't often do that, but I have to agree with Skip on this one. If you use an edition for contribution purposes it should be something you find in "big red letters" on the cover and not something that you find in tiny letters in the copyright section of the cover.

There is a difference between what should be, and what is.  While that may be how it should be, and I don't believe it should, that isn't how it is...at least that isn't how the rule is written.
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Just because a movie is presented in 2.35:1 doesn't make it the "Widescreen Edition" of that particular DVD.

You are correct.  Per the rule, 'Widescreen Edition', because it isn't one of the built-in selections, needs to be printed on the box in order for it to be a valid edition.


Just to clarify though, according to your logic, 2.35:1 could be used as an edition.  Thank god we haven't gotten that stupid yet, but it is an option.  That is what we're saying, right?  We can scrounge around anywhere on the packaging and pick out the text we find and call it an edition.
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