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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | There are too many cover variations to turn this into another word play. Let's get rid of the vague wordings from the rules, not add more of the same. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 4,526 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Quoting GSyren:
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Quoting Winston Smith:
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Please stop with the aggressive and frankly insulting posts, gunnar. I tried to offer you some assistance and advice and I get Bull in return, perfectly normal. I agree that the Rules should do this or that, but the fact is no Rule will ever be that clear to everyone and if you can't accept some input from someone who was intimately then please do me the favor of taking a long walk of a very short pier. 
Someone saying he was intimately involved doesn't really insure that he knows what the intent was. And while Ken may have accepted the rules, there is no guarantee that his intent is the same as yours. He may very well interpret the rules differently than you. And finally, you have to be able to interpret the rules without reading every post in the forum as well.
Thanks you for not being agressive yourself, though.
Umm Gunnar did you not read that I wrote that particular point myself, are you trying to suggest that i do not know what i intended. That is a joke, but then most of your comments are jokes along with being argumentative. Sorry, buddy. But yes i do KNOW what the intent was and you can play your silly little ggames as long as you wish and the martian as well...but...like I said that is the crap i get for attempting to be helpful. I was very purposely not saying "you" but "someone". Anyone can say "I know because I was involved". Those of us who have been around long enough know that you actually were involved. But we can't have rules whose interpretation depends on the user knowing who actually knows what he's talking about and who is just blowing smoke. But that's really beside the point. The only authoritative source is the written rules. So I wasn't saying that you didn't know what your intent was. I'm saying that it is not relevant. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't see it as vague at all. Prominent has a very clear definition and in addiotion it species wher to find the data when dealing outside of the drop down box. In addition, like I said I completely understand Ken's intent, not mine I didn't write it, though it is in keeping with conceptual foundation of the Rules. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Gunnar:
Until you have someone such as Martian who was not involved in the first team at all, but believe he can authoritatively discern the the meanings of the Rules and he has been told numerous times that was not the intent. This is going to be true with any Rule or Law anywhere and everywhere, somebody is going to try and put their spin on it. For example don't cross on a double yellow line, but the guy in front of me is going too slow and I am in a hurry so it's OK...no it's NOT Ok, the law says see the double yellow line, don't pass when you see it, PERIOD and that was the intent of the law. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Gunnar:
Until you have someone such as Martian who was not involved in the first team at all, but believe he can authoritatively discern the the meanings of the Rules and he has been told numerous times that was not the intent. First, unlike you, I have never claimed to be an authority on anything. I am a parser. That means I look at the words, the sentence structure, the punctuation, etc., to determine the meaning of what was written. I do not, ever, look at the intent. Second, I have never questioned that you know what you intended. What I did was point out the fact that, for whatever reason, what you intended is not what is written. What Ken wrote, however, is a lot closer. Quote:
This is going to be true with any Rule or Law anywhere and everywhere, somebody is going to try and put their spin on it. For example don't cross on a double yellow line, but the guy in front of me is going too slow and I am in a hurry so it's OK...no it's NOT Ok, the law says see the double yellow line, don't pass when you see it, PERIOD and that was the intent of the law. Bad example as the intent, and the written law, are the exact same thing. The same can't be said for your intent and the written rule. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
I don't see it as vague at all. Prominent has a very clear definition and in addiotion it species wher to find the data when dealing outside of the drop down box. In addition, like I said I completely understand Ken's intent, not mine I didn't write it, though it is in keeping with conceptual foundation of the Rules. Prominent has a clear definition, but a subjective interpretation, like "Recent." Is 12 pt type prominent? 14? 10? 10 only if it's bold? I also think it is a mistake to limit edition to the front cover, the spine or back should be acceptable as well. (I even have a disc that has a clear edition, but it is only on the disc itself, not on the packaging--so it is not allowed by the Rules even though it clearly distinguishes it from other releases.) |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,526 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip,
Let's assume that the law just says that you have to overtake with due care.
If you get stopped by the police for crossing double yellow lines, who gets to decide if that means that you haven't exercised due care? Well, it won't be the person who formulated the law. It will be the court. And they will look at what the law says. They won't ask the author what his intent was.
The same applies here. No matter how valueable your efforts were in writing the rules, once Ken adopted them they became his rules, and he in the only person who has any say. Your intent is not relevant. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
Prominent has a clear definition, but a subjective interpretation, like "Recent."
Is 12 pt type prominent? 14? 10? 10 only if it's bold? You are quite correct. I have a lot of titles where certain words or phrases, in the overview, are bolded. Does that make them prominent? Yes it does. Is that what Ken wants in the edition field? I doubt it, but the argument could be made that it fits the definition. Quote:
I also think it is a mistake to limit edition to the front cover, the spine or back should be acceptable as well. (I even have a disc that has a clear edition, but it is only on the disc itself, not on the packaging--so it is not allowed by the Rules even though it clearly distinguishes it from other releases.) I have a few where the use of the term 'special edition' is only listed in the overview, so I don't care for the change either. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree that 'Prominent' is highly subjective, see the examples above. Jamal agree that you can't go with the intent of the rules, you have to by what the rules actually say. If there is an issue with how a particular rule is written, then fix the rule! | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
standing out so as to be seen easily; conspicuous; particularly noticeable: Her eyes are her most prominent feature.
Fine print is not conspicuous or particularly noticeable, nor does it stand out to be seen easily.
The banner used on many titles is prominent, How often have you seen "fine print" on the front cover? If we just stick with what's on the front cover, we don't need a subjective qualifier. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Note that the condition for prominent front cover display applies only to non-standard editions (those not included in the program's drop-down):
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use the built-in editions when applicable, but tread lightly when stepping out of those choices. When considering non-standard edition text, make sure it both:
- Help to differentiate versions - AND-
- Is prominently displayed on the front cover. I can agree with this. If it is in the Drop Down, you are allowed to use it (I wish a couple would go away, but that is another issue). If it is not in the Drop Down, then the only place to get it is The Front cover. This is simple and easy to understand. (By the way Pete, IMO, getting it from the disc itself would not be appropriate) Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,311 |
| | Posted: | | | | When did I mention getting it from the disc?
I still think front cover only still makes us loose some needed information... as it isn't ALWAYS on the front cover... and it isn't ALWAYS as it is in the drop-down menu. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
When did I mention getting it from the disc?
I still think front cover only still makes us loose some needed information... as it isn't ALWAYS on the front cover... and it isn't ALWAYS as it is in the drop-down menu. sorry wrong person, it was calebandco, and he did mention it was against the rules... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,311 |
| | Posted: | | | | No problem  | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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standing out so as to be seen easily; conspicuous; particularly noticeable: Her eyes are her most prominent feature.
Fine print is not conspicuous or particularly noticeable, nor does it stand out to be seen easily.
The banner used on many titles is prominent,
How often have you seen "fine print" on the front cover?
If we just stick with what's on the front cover, we don't need a subjective qualifier. I absolutely agree with ina cases incl;uding titles. But unforunately that was destroyed when some users decided that they didn't LIKE possessives as data or couldn't figure out how to sort while using them and got Ken to say OK then look here or there for the title that you like; maybe the possessive isn't. It's on the front cover it is legitimate data and is not for anyone, except in their local, to decide what nit is, it is data and legitimate data. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I have a few where the use of the term 'special edition' is only listed in the overview, so I don't care for the change either. The 'prominent' condition applies in no way to those titles. 'Special Edition' is a built-in edition entry. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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