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The continued drama we call "parsing": Ellen Albertini Dow
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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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I don't want to give the impression that this was a simple switch to flip.  Support for this was added into the program a few months ago, and more time was needed for the version to propagate.  Before that change, the online change would have resulted in destroyed local parsing.  Not that it couldn't have been faster.
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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I don't want to give the impression that this was a simple switch to flip.  Support for this was added into the program a few months ago, and more time was needed for the version to propagate.  Before that change, the online change would have resulted in destroyed local parsing.  Not that it couldn't have been faster.


My bad for assuming. I should really take that old saying into account about people who assume. Not one to be above admitting when I'm wrong, please accept my apologies.

Thank-you for stating this. Muchly appreciated. 
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Ken,

When I  download a new profile which contains a name which is not in my local database, will it parse that name automatically using 1/2/3 for 3-part names?
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No, it will use whatever was uploaded, after which you can change it locally.
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No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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Ahhh...for some reason I thought you were saying that the on-line database no longer retained parsing at all, but you're just saying that you won't see the parsing when contributing or voting.
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No, it will use whatever was uploaded, after which you can change it locally.

Does this mean, for parsing, first in wins?  What I mean is, if the online has 'John/Anderson/Cooper' and I upload 'John/ /Anderson Cooper', will the online change or retain the original parsing?

I am happy for anything that stops the fighting, but am just curious.
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I think it works just like the Sort Title, first in wins. On later contributions, the online Sort Title remains unaffected and also the local is never overwritten once it exists.
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Parsing is no longer considered or displayed in the online contribution system.

That was quick! Thanks! 


Quick? Well at least I'm still alive to see it, never thought the day would come...
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One problem here is that when you download a new profile with a variant that is differently parsed from a name that is already in your local, the linking will be lost.

The good news (for some of us) is that the Name Variants tool does spot these cases.
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The good news (for some of us) is that the Name Variants tool does spot these cases.


Is there a name variants tool that detects just differences in names? The one I use you have to filter by DVD title.

Not that I'm complaining, just thought if there were an easier tool out there to use that I might give it a shot because as of right now if I don't know a film that someone's in, it makes searching for a possible variant much more time consuming... a "how do I know what to look for if I don't know something's wrong in the first place" type situation.
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The good news (for some of us) is that the Name Variants tool does spot these cases.


Is there a name variants tool that detects just differences in names? The one I use you have to filter by DVD title.

Not that I'm complaining, just thought if there were an easier tool out there to use that I might give it a shot because as of right now if I don't know a film that someone's in, it makes searching for a possible variant much more time consuming... a "how do I know what to look for if I don't know something's wrong in the first place" type situation.


http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=523299&PageNum=1&messageID=1502631#M1502631

Try the Find Name Duplicates Tool it does a good job:
http://doena-soft.de/dvdprofiler/3.6.0/FindNameDuplicates.zip
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It has an impact, but no relevance to the program itself...it means nothing. For this program it means virtually nothing whether it is baker hall or Baker/Hall, except that people want to argue over it. But the relevance to the program is nil

What do you mean? For the progran John/Peter/Doe, John Peter/Doe, John/Peter Doe and John Peter Doe are four different persons and therefore not linked. Since this is a database where linking defines how good it is, in my opinion the relevance is far from nil.
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tjey COUD be, Kulju. But they could also be four variantws for the SAME person, Only research would reveal that information, and the particular parsing is not really relevant to the program, as even Ken has noted
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tjey COUD be, Kulju. But they could also be four variantws for the SAME person, Only research would reveal that information, and the particular parsing is not really relevant to the program, as even Ken has noted

How hard is it to understand again? For the database point of view they are four different entries, in this case four different persons since they are NOT LINKED

As you have told us before that that you have built one of the biggest and most secure db in US (world?) and have +25 years of experience working with databases, can you please explain to me that if database doesn't have funtional linking and therefore doesn't have functional searches, what's the difference for collecting all the actual data to one Excel sheet?

Database is much more than a data storage which contains (hopefully) correct data. There are several ways collect data, but only when you can run reliable seaches agaist that data it becomes a database. Reliable searches needs fuctional linking.

And no, I'm not an db expert and don't claim to be one.
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tjey COUD be, Kulju. But they could also be four variantws for the SAME person, Only research would reveal that information, and the particular parsing is not really relevant to the program, as even Ken has noted

How hard is it to understand again? For the database point of view they are four different entries, in this case four different persons since they are NOT LINKED

As you have told us before that that you have built one of the biggest and most secure db in US (world?) and have +25 years of experience working with databases, can you please explain to me that if database doesn't have funtional linking and therefore doesn't have functional searches, what's the difference for collecting all the actual data to one Excel sheet?

Database is much more than a data storage which contains (hopefully) correct data. There are several ways collect data, but only when you can run reliable seaches agaist that data it becomes a database. Reliable searches needs fuctional linking.

And no, I'm not an db expert and don't claim to be one.


Most of us do understand what you're saying.  As long as the local is still going to parse names in some fashion, there is still a linking issue at the local level, regardless of whether the online ignores it or not.  I'm assuming that Ken is working his way to a larger solution in an upcoming update.

For what it's worth, I've worked with hundreds of government, well okay, military databases.  Trust me, it is very possible that his claims are true.  That should scare the hell out of you.
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