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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorrdodolak
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What about cases where the DVD of the film has all the extras and the bluray is barebones?

Bulletproof Monk combo pack is set up that way.
If you exclude the DVD from the combo pack the main profile is basically barebones. The DVD child has many extras from featurettes to commentary.


Also, what about cases where the movie is on one Blu-ray disc and the extras on a second Blu-ray disc?

I believe the way the current profiles have been treated are the extras are listed for what comes in the complete package.  Even then, the features section is somewhat limiting as I wish we could profile information down to the individual feature.

Unfortunately, a single profile is limited for certain items hence why I believe child profiles were allowed for bonus media.  On the other hand, a lot of information is also duplicative across multiple profiles.
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What about cases where the DVD of the film has all the extras and the bluray is barebones?

I treat it the same way I do sets where the film is on one disc and all the special features are on a separate disc...list them all in the main profile and move on.  I don't need Profiler to list which disc contains the special features, just what the special features are.
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What about cases where the DVD of the film has all the extras and the bluray is barebones?

I treat it the same way I do sets where the film is on one disc and all the special features are on a separate disc...list them all in the main profile and move on.  I don't need Profiler to list which disc contains the special features, just what the special features are.

Exactly.

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So, I'm a bit confused. Is there anything in the rules about something like a 4K/BD combo pack (or before BD/DVD)? If the 4K has no bonus features while the Blu-ray does, does that mean the parent profile should be blank or should it include the features on the Blu-ray disc as well?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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While not specifically mentioned, I would treat it the same way I would a BD/DVD combo...place all the information in the 4K parent profile as the child profile is optional.
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While not specifically mentioned, I would treat it the same way I would a BD/DVD combo...place all the information in the 4K parent profile as the child profile is optional.


Ok. Only reason I asked is there's a profile up for vote removing the info and since it's not specified in the rules (either way), not sure it's right to vote no on it (in the meantime I just locked that portion of the profile in my DB since I don't download child profiles on these). But given the rules have not been updated in, what, 5 years, not going to hold my breath.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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So, this will all depend on how one reads the rule:
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Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile.

Based on that rule, I ask my self one question...does this set contain the same film on multiple media types?  If the answer is yes, I enter it as a normal profile for the main media type.  That means I list all of the special features, even if they are on a separate disc.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorrdodolak
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So, I'm a bit confused. Is there anything in the rules about something like a 4K/BD combo pack (or before BD/DVD)? If the 4K has no bonus features while the Blu-ray does, does that mean the parent profile should be blank or should it include the features on the Blu-ray disc as well?


UHD BD is still BD, but just considered profile 6 by the BDA.
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So, this will all depend on how one reads the rule:
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Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile.

Based on that rule, I ask my self one question...does this set contain the same film on multiple media types?  If the answer is yes, I enter it as a normal profile for the main media type.  That means I list all of the special features, even if they are on a separate disc.


Maybe it's up for interpretation but I don't see where in that rule it says to put the information from all media types on the main profile.  The way I read it is that for combos, you put the information from the "dominant" media type in the main profile and that's it.  And then if you want the information from the "lesser" media type, you can add a child profile.  Isn't that what it says?
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Maybe it's up for interpretation but I don't see where in that rule it says to put the information from all media types on the main profile.  The way I read it is that for combos, you put the information from the "dominant" media type in the main profile and that's it.  And then if you want the information from the "lesser" media type, you can add a child profile.  Isn't that what it says?


It may be up for interpretation, but I would consider a "normal profile" includes all pertinent information pertaining to the release.  The main profile is cataloged by the UPC/EAN unless, that is, the release doesn't have a UPC/EAN and the UPC/EAN is for the entire package not just a specific media type or individual disc.  Therefore, from my view, the "normal profile" should include the pertinent information, which would include all features in said package, for the release or package.  The "normal profile" already includes information pertinent to the entire package which isn't format specific; e.g. media types (DVD, BD, UHD), digital copy, disc information, release date, SRP, etc.  Remember that the other media types are optional so not everyone may use those profiles for combo sets.

It's also more convoluted since the studios don't put all features on all media types.  But what about multiple discs of the same media type; one BD with the main feature along with special features and a second BD with additional special features?  In this case, would you suggest that all special features spanning across multiple discs of the same media type would be cataloged in the main profile?  If so, why would the same not apply if the features span different media types?

Now, I wish DVD Profiler was designed differently to better catalog the features information and to catalog/view the individual discs differently.  To me, the way we currently profile individual discs is due to a current design limitation and is not optimal.

For me, I would like to be able to catalog/list each feature with it's associated run time and to a specific disc.  However, I'd like for all of that info to be contained within the main profile and not separate disc profiles.  I'd also like to be able to list the individual run times for each episode of a TV series.
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Maybe it's up for interpretation but I don't see where in that rule it says to put the information from all media types on the main profile.  The way I read it is that for combos, you put the information from the "dominant" media type in the main profile and that's it.  And then if you want the information from the "lesser" media type, you can add a child profile.  Isn't that what it says?


It may be up for interpretation, but I would consider a "normal profile" includes all pertinent information pertaining to the release.  The main profile is cataloged by the UPC/EAN unless, that is, the release doesn't have a UPC/EAN and the UPC/EAN is for the entire package not just a specific media type or individual disc.  Therefore, from my view, the "normal profile" should include the pertinent information, which would include all features in said package, for the release or package.  The "normal profile" already includes information pertinent to the entire package which isn't format specific; e.g. media types (DVD, BD, UHD), digital copy, disc information, release date, SRP, etc.  Remember that the other media types are optional so not everyone may use those profiles for combo sets.

It's also more convoluted since the studios don't put all features on all media types.  But what about multiple discs of the same media type; one BD with the main feature along with special features and a second BD with additional special features?  In this case, would you suggest that all special features spanning across multiple discs of the same media type would be cataloged in the main profile?  If so, why would the same not apply if the features span different media types?

Now, I wish DVD Profiler was designed differently to better catalog the features information and to catalog/view the individual discs differently.  To me, the way we currently profile individual discs is due to a current design limitation and is not optimal.

For me, I would like to be able to catalog/list each feature with it's associated run time and to a specific disc.  However, I'd like for all of that info to be contained within the main profile and not separate disc profiles.  I'd also like to be able to list the individual run times for each episode of a TV series.


In regards to the last part.

I don't know if it's possible, but on the Features tab/window I could see use of child tabs within that. So on each tab would be each disc contained within the combo pack have it's on Features tab.
That way you can have a more accurate breakdown of the features on each disc.
Perhaps someone can make a mock-up of that and see what it'd look like.

As far as running time, perhaps a drop down window right by the total running time that would allow entry of the running time of each disc, of course the ability to name each disc too.
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So, this will all depend on how one reads the rule:
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Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile.

Based on that rule, I ask my self one question...does this set contain the same film on multiple media types?  If the answer is yes, I enter it as a normal profile for the main media type.  That means I list all of the special features, even if they are on a separate disc.



Maybe it's up for interpretation but I don't see where in that rule it says to put the information from all media types on the main profile.  The way I read it is that for combos, you put the information from the "dominant" media type in the main profile and that's it.  And then if you want the information from the "lesser" media type, you can add a child profile.  Isn't that what it says?


I don't see much room for interpretation. The rules clearly demand for a "normale profile". A "normale profile" would require all info from a release not just from the first disc. This includes the features throughout the release. Just the film details are to be taken from the superior medium. But "details" are not the features, they are just the tech specs.
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