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Double, on-set, stand-in and reader roles in cast
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A couple of days ago someone posted a new cast for Avengers: Endgame. I was not able to check the actual endcredits, but since there are some other roles and if it's the same as Infinity War they're part of the cast section. But I was wondering if we should list these kind of credits. I think it's supported by the rules, but I'm curious how other users handle these kind of credits.

I can imagine what a reader does, but maybe it's not that simple. So what's the role of a reader in a movie.

This is a screenshot from the last part of the contribution.

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It looks like the "on set" roles are the actual people in the character suits (Groot, Rocket, etc.). Every "on set" role should have a corresponding Voice role somewhere else in the cast credits. Vin Diesel and Bradley Cooper just provide the voices for those 2 characters. That should have been noted in the contribution. I'll fix that when I buy it on Tuesday morning. Doubles are stand-ins and shouldn't be in the cast contribution. Reader sounds like another Voice role.
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If the filmmakers thought they should be included under the Cast listing, I don't see any reason we should exclude them.
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David Prowse is also credited in the original Star Wars trilogy. Same diff
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As said they're in the cast and the rules support to list them so I have no problem listing them, but just want to know what other's think of those roles.

Here you see some on-set roles. Just stand-ins so other actors know where the final characters are.



And this is Robert Pralgo as Thanos reader.



I don't think you can't see or hear anything from them in the final movie. David Prowse can be seen in the movie as a physical Darth Vader so for me that's something different.
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Andy Serkis is Gollum.  Yes, the character is animated, but it's an animated version of him.  He performed.  He was motion captured.  He deserves the credit.

Dave Prowse was Darth Vader's body.  He's physically in the film.  I can see him.  He deserves the credit.

A stand in who's replaced entirely by CGI and is just there so the other performers have the right eye-line to react to is not a performer.  They're not in the film.  They're not providing the animation and they're not motion-captured.  They shouldn't be included in the credits.

Just my opinion, though.  I dare say if I were one of the latter stand-ins I'd feel quite differently.
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A stand in who's replaced entirely by CGI and is just there so the other performers have the right eye-line to react to is not a performer.  They're not in the film.  They're not providing the animation and they're not motion-captured.  They shouldn't be included in the credits.

Agreed.
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Quoting AlunH:
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A stand in who's replaced entirely by CGI and is just there so the other performers have the right eye-line to react to is not a performer.  They're not in the film.  They're not providing the animation and they're not motion-captured.  They shouldn't be included in the credits.

Just my opinion, though.  I dare say if I were one of the latter stand-ins I'd feel quite differently.
Fair enough, but even if the filmmakers saw fit to include them within the body of the cast listing, are you saying you'd remove them from the profile?

I imagine there's got to be films that credited actors who weren't even in the final movie. Just today I watched "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood". Tim Roth is listed in the credits, but his scenes were deleted.
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So should we delete the on-set-, double- and reader roles or should we keep them?
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My 2 cents: Keep the on-set cast that have double roles, like On-Set Rocket / Kraglin, but remove everything else (readers and doubles).
My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it!
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I treat it the same as Stunts. If included with Cast then I include them. If not with cast do not include them. I am not into second guessing why they chose to add them or not.
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