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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting Kulju:
Quote: I think most of the people are missing the most important point. This only about titles where the language changes in the middle of the title. Hyphen kind of presents a "think break" when you switch from one language to another inside the same title. That's why examples "english: english" are pointless. It's a completely different matter.
Skippo, these aren't a "new" thing. They have existed for decades.
This is exactly why I changed my position on this issue. As I stated earlier, if the DVD Cover has the "Original Title" and the "Localized Title (or subtitle)" in a different language, then I'd be fine with using a hyphen.
BUT...it really needs to be added to the Rules exactly like that, so that it's not applied to other situations, where a colon is appropriate. Kudos to you Hal. Very rarely does someone admit to changing their position on something around here. FWIW I agree with your position completely. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote: THat only means you are getting away with it, it doesn't mean it is legal. It also may not be a problem in your area, but that still does not mean you are free and clear. If the Studios in Hollywodd chose to take action, trust me they would be within their legal right to do so. I really don't think so. But then neither me nor you are lawyers. Maybe the studio could go after the shop which shipped the DVD. But I neither know nor care. | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| Registered: May 28, 2007 | Posts: 270 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TigiHof: Quote:
First, a word to the thread starter: RAPMAN, you are usually a good contributor, and I respect that - I really do. But you are still a newbie who has to learn many things about the profiler community. One of them is not to bring local matters to the international community. Well, I wasn't sure about something so I asked in the Official Forums. If this makes me a newbie I can life with that. Who else should I've asked then? - Say a Prayer? - The Secret German Community Help Desk? - That Guy with the Glasses? - Yellow Pages? - My local Answer-Dealer? 3 Answers for the Price of One! Todays Special Offer, all Answers about Hyphens and Colons, 30% off!!! I should have created a poll for that. ![](/images/emoticons/grin.gif) I've withdrawn all changes concering this title issue for now. I guess opinions are like Hyphens, they don't want to be changed to Colons. ![](/images/emoticons/devilish.gif) | | | Raphael |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: ![Superior Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/3.png) | Posts: 2,216 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: No. We wouldn't need to do this any more than we need to explain each country's capitalization rules. Just saying to use a colon in English and follow the local custom for localities that use different languages. <whisper>Which is what we unruly Germans did all along!</whisper> SCNR, Mithi | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RAPMAN: Quote: Who else should I've asked then? In the semi official German DVD Profiler-Forum.de? Yes, the forum operator has Ken's blessing for using the name. ![](/images/emoticons/wink.gif) | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| Registered: May 28, 2007 | Posts: 270 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting RAPMAN:
Quote: Who else should I've asked then? In the semi official German DVD Profiler-Forum.de? Yes, the forum operator has Ken's blessing for using the name. ![](/images/emoticons/wink.gif) Well I didn't know about the forum, till now. Good to know. ![](/images/emoticons/shocked.gif) | | | Raphael | | | Last edited: by RAPMAN |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: ![Highest Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/4.png) | Posts: 13,201 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RAPMAN: Quote: Quoting TigiHof:
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First, a word to the thread starter: RAPMAN, you are usually a good contributor, and I respect that - I really do. But you are still a newbie who has to learn many things about the profiler community. One of them is not to bring local matters to the international community. Well, I wasn't sure about something so I asked in the Official Forums. If this makes me a newbie I can life with that. You asked in the proper place and don't let anybody tell you different. Had it not been for a few hardliners, who were neither civilized nor reasonable, this issue could have been resolved with very little fuss. Because of civil and reasonable posts, Hal's mind has been changed. I had no opinion on the matter but, for the same reason, I think I agree with Hal on this as well. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: ![Highest Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/4.png) | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree that this was the appropriate place to ask your question. It gave one something to think about and resulted in my learning something new. ![](/images/emoticons/smile.gif) |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote: THat only means you are getting away with it, it doesn't mean it is legal. It also may not be a problem in your area, but that still does not mean you are free and clear. If the Studios in Hollywodd chose to take action, trust me they would be within their legal right to do so.
You only continue to prove you desire to completely ignore the law as you believe that you are commpletely outside of it.Skip ![](/images/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) I know it's in vain, but you may find this site useful, Skip. A piece from it: Quote: Is it illegal to purchase region 1 DVDs? My DVD player can play DVDs from around the world. Can I play foreign DVDs? It is not illegal to purchase other region DVDs. If you go abroad on holiday or for business you are perfectly entitled to purchase other zone DVDs for your personal use, and watch them within the United Kingdom.
What if I buy a DVD over the Internet? You are allowed to purchase overseas DVDs, as long as the trading company – the company you buy it from - does not carry out the transaction within the United Kingdom.
For example, it is not an offence to access an American based website and purchase the product online, as long as the product is for your personal use, and is not re-sold within the UK. The point of sale therefore must not take place in the United Kingdom.
What is the current legislation regarding the sale of foreign DVDs? This can be confusing. In a complex area, it is safe to say that the sale of foreign DVDs could be allowed, but the trader must ensure that the product complies with the guidelines as laid down by the British Board of Film Censorship (BBFC).
The following passage is taken directly from the BBFC website www.bbfc.co.uk
“ A foreign DVD offered for sale in the UK is likely to be illegal under the Video Recordings Act 1983 unless its content (including any additional material) has been classified by the BBFC.
“ The DVD must also be labelled in accordance with Video Recordings (Labelling) Regulations 1985 & 1998 (including the unique registration number). You would also be advised to contact FACT to ensure that there are no copyright issues.”
It is highly unlikely that a DVD title that has not had a United Kingdom release would comply with the above.
In selling such a product, the trader would be infringing both the Video Recordings Act 1983, and the Video Recordings (Labelling) Regulations 1985. While that applies to the UK and not Germany, obviously, it's a good example that, as Kulju stated, "...the rest of the world doesn't have to play by the U.S. laws." | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | LOL, Alien, that's a joke, right. I never said nor would I presume to know twhether or not it is an issue with regards to his home laws.. But his home laws are not all that are at issue, he also has to consider US law. Technically if one is buying from some Distributor, even Amazon who are shipping R1 product overseas, this violates the law. This is why we have Regions. Now as I also have pointed out, will a given Studio in hollywood exercise their legal option, I have not seen any indication of it the last 10 years, but this could change at any time, their choice not mine. It might even seem reasonable to argue that since they have not chosen to pursue the issue, then they cannot suddenly decide to.
I will guarantee you this, Alien, this is not an issue that will ever affect me. As the only way I would ever have anything from outside the US is if I personally have been there to buy it and i have not been outside the US in 10 years. Next year who knows. But I know my collection is 100% legal by US law, can you say the same.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | I absolutely can say the same. When I was in Berlin, I came home with no less than 20 region 2 DVDs. What did customs do when they opened the suitcase and saw them? Nothing. And why would they? Certainly they would have arrested me on the spot if I was breaking a law. Can you show me where it says it's against the law for me to buy a R2 dvd from Amazon.co.uk? I would love to read it. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Did you even understand what I said, Alien. Evidently NOT, of course you could buy DVDs and bring them home, i didn't say you could not. I can't address the purchase of DVDs from a foreign distributor and and having them shipped into the US. But I do know that technically and as I said to my knowledge Hollywood has not yet chosen to enforce this that I am aware, it is a violation of the law to purchase and ship most if not ALL R1 titles outside the country. Richie, for example, could come here and buy DVDs and take them with him home, but technically he would be in violation of US law if he purchased tthem from a US Distributor and had them shipped to the UK. The closest thing I am aware of to any form of enforcement is a couple of dealers who "punished" by having their pipeline to films shut down because they were shipping overseas. I think it was Warner that tagged the, but that's all I am aware of. But it really would be good for you to first understand what is said before, you post a response. Because your response had NOTHING to do with what I said. As Bugsy says, "What a maroon!" Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote: Did you even understand what I said, Alien. Evidently NOT, of course you could buy DVDs and bring them home, i didn't say you could not. I can't address the purchase of DVDs from a foreign distributor and and having them shipped into the US. But I do know that technically and as I said to my knowledge Hollywood has not yet chosen to enforce this that I am aware, it is a violation of the law to purchase and ship most if not ALL R1 titles outside the country. Richie, for example, could come here and buy DVDs and take them with him home, but technically he would be in violation of US law if he purchased tthem from a US Distributor and had them shipped to the UK. The closest thing I am aware of to any form of enforcement is a couple of dealers who "punished" by having their pipeline to films shut down because they were shipping overseas. I think it was Warner that tagged the, but that's all I am aware of.
But it really would be good for you to first understand what is said before, you post a response. Because your response had NOTHING to do with what I said.
As Bugsy says, "What a maroon!"
Skip Again, show me. Show me where it says I cannot purchase a Region 2 dvd from Amazon UK. That's all I'm asking. Just show me where it says it's illegal. I've already showed you that Richie can purchase from Amazon US (provided he lives in the UK). Quote: What if I buy a DVD over the Internet? You are allowed to purchase overseas DVDs, as long as the trading company – the company you buy it from - does not carry out the transaction within the United Kingdom.
For example, it is not an offence to access an American based website and purchase the product online, as long as the product is for your personal use, and is not re-sold within the UK. The point of sale therefore must not take place in the United Kingdom. I'm generally curious, but I'd like some proof. Your word is not proof. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | Last edited: by Alien Redrum |
| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: ![High Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/1.png) | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | My understanding is there is no law on this issue. The movie companies have contracts that limit where each distributor can sell, but that's not the same thing. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote: Quoting Woola:
Quote: Did you even understand what I said, Alien. Evidently NOT, of course you could buy DVDs and bring them home, i didn't say you could not. I can't address the purchase of DVDs from a foreign distributor and and having them shipped into the US. But I do know that technically and as I said to my knowledge Hollywood has not yet chosen to enforce this that I am aware, it is a violation of the law to purchase and ship most if not ALL R1 titles outside the country. Richie, for example, could come here and buy DVDs and take them with him home, but technically he would be in violation of US law if he purchased tthem from a US Distributor and had them shipped to the UK. The closest thing I am aware of to any form of enforcement is a couple of dealers who "punished" by having their pipeline to films shut down because they were shipping overseas. I think it was Warner that tagged the, but that's all I am aware of.
But it really would be good for you to first understand what is said before, you post a response. Because your response had NOTHING to do with what I said.
As Bugsy says, "What a maroon!"
Skip
Again, show me. Show me where it says I cannot purchase a Region 2 dvd from Amazon UK. That's all I'm asking. Just show me where it says it's illegal.
I've already showed you that Richie can purchase from Amazon US (provided he lives in the UK).
Quote: What if I buy a DVD over the Internet? You are allowed to purchase overseas DVDs, as long as the trading company – the company you buy it from - does not carry out the transaction within the United Kingdom.
For example, it is not an offence to access an American based website and purchase the product online, as long as the product is for your personal use, and is not re-sold within the UK. The point of sale therefore must not take place in the United Kingdom.
I'm generally curious, but I'd like some proof. Your word is not proof. Again Alien, you don't even comprehend what i have said. Not surprised at all. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: ![Highest Rating](/images/Ratings/Small/4.png) | Posts: 4,560 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: My understanding is there is no law on this issue. The movie companies have contracts that limit where each distributor can sell, but that's not the same thing. Shouldn't that be " some major movie companies"? I know for a fact that there are many small production companies that are only too happy to sell their products all over the world. Skip's claim that there is a general law against selling R1 DVDs to customers outside the US is just BS and one can only wonder what is has to do with the issue in question? Furthermore I thought that "Not to be sold outside the United States" referred to the location of the seller, not the buyer. I know some stores in Sweden tried to sell R1 titles, but were forced to stop. But I've never heard of any US retailer refusing to sell DVDs to customers abroad (except those who do not ship anything outside the US, but that's a different matter). But I'm not a lawyer... | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
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