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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantwintermute115
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Registered: May 25, 2007
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Permit me to help you then Tim

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There are a few users that are a bit TOO hung up on details.


Your comment was in bold was absolutely unnecessary and both demeaning and insulting.



You know, for someone so quick to call other users ignorant, stupid or even evil, you seem to be incredibly thin-skinned if you are so terribly wounded by that.

Being "a bit TOO hung up on details" is one of these things you tell an interviewer when they ask what your greatest weakness is, like the fact that you work too hard.

Seriously. Take it as a compliment, if you must take it any way.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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You are also wrong about demanding a level of proof that doesn't exist as was demonstrated by Enry's discovery. The real question is what level is good enough. When I look at "proof" and can tell where it came from just by looking at it, that's not good enough. Unfortunately this was the case with the .de site.

Yes I am demading when it comes to the data, I have high standards for myself, I don't apply those standards to anyone else because they are so high. But reaching a conclusion based on an assumption that is not verified I will not accept from anyone. My standards are such that when I make a Contribution to a Common Name, which is rare, I KNOW beyond any doubt that it is correct. The BEST way I have found to do that so far, is via comparative screen caps against a file image, but just like everything I do that is subject to evolution and change as I go through things. The question becomes one of confidence level pertaining to the accuracy, and while it doesn't make me happy, my confidence level in Mikkel's initial Contribution was not very high. He came here to discuss it and Enry was able to produce information which increased my confidence level...that simple. Is it high enough for me personally, probably not, I would probably be looking for even more information were it my Contribution or planned Contribution.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Winter:

Methinks you have too much to say that is not significant nor germaine to the issue at hand. You wren't involved, your input is not required nor is it helpful.

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I will not at the BFI link to the notes. That you think it is more authoritive than another one is up to you. In five minutes another user find a link that he find more authorative and wants that added in change for a vote. The thing is that none of them are more authorative than the other as we don't know on what sources they are based, not BFI, not imdb. It could be interns copying data from imdb (or DVD profiler for that matter) for all we know.

By your standards I think the most accurate database is an empty one.
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Winter:

Methinks you have too much to say that is not significant nor germaine to the issue at hand. You wren't involved, your input is not required nor is it helpful.

Skip


Just out of interest, do you consider your comment here to be "unnecessary and both demeaning and insulting"?

Just because I "wasn't involved" (in looking up the details of this submission? In being insulted?) means that I am forbidden from commenting on the behaviour of those who were involved? Does this mean that you always refrain from commenting on matters after the fact?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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If you must intrude merely to makje such statements, winter, then be prepared to be judged harshly for such intrusion. It is nothing more than flame-baiting, behavior such as yours is what so often results in threads sprialing out of control.

BTW unlike some users I won't go run and hide and cast an anonymous negative vote. I will deal with your offense or any other users man to man. The Reputation System I still think is bad, I have a right in this country to confront my accusers, and i will do so. All that you people demonstrate, all of you, demonstrate to me is a ridiculous desire to shut up one user, who ever the offending user of the moment, if its not me it might be YOU. It is patently obvious that there is a vendetta going on, and I know who you are or can develop a very GOOD guess.


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I will not at the BFI link to the notes. That you think it is more authoritive than another one is up to you. In five minutes another user find a link that he find more authorative and wants that added in change for a vote. The thing is that none of them are more authorative than the other as we don't know on what sources they are based, not BFI, not imdb. It could be interns copying data from imdb (or DVD profiler for that matter) for all we know.

I agree. Skip, I'm still a bit puzzled how you have decided that bfi.org.uk is "authoritative" as opposed to say IMDb.com or any other source. Again, I don't mind - I've also been using bfi.org.uk for quite some time now, so I don't necessarily disagree, but I just wonder how you came to this conclusion. Purely looking from Invelos's point of view: they have never expressed any preference for any third party source, or passed judgement on any of them. It's just a few users who keep doing that on their own. IMHO, the main point in using third party sources to back up something is quantity. If you find several sources all backing up your claim, you're good to go. Nobody ever indicated what sources are deemed "authoritative" and which ones aren't. So you'll understand that I'm a bit hesitant to just blindly accept a single users' ruling on the matter. Forcing someone to include your preferred link into the notes is also a bit much - should he have to oblige for every user who wants to see his own preferred link there? I'd say: include it as a comment with your vote and be done with it. If you're now sufficiently convinced that the change is correct, why keep putting energy into getting it declined?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantwintermute115
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If you must intrude merely to makje such statements, winter, then be prepared to be judged harshly for such intrusion. It is nothing more than flame-baiting, behavior such as yours is what so often results in threads sprialing out of control.


Someone pointing out (quite politely, I might add) that you have not, in fact, been insulted is "flame-bait", now? The thread is in danger of "spiralling out of control" because I asked if you consider your own post to be insulting?

Please feel free to point out anything specific I've said in this thread that was insulting, offensive, or factually incorrect to aid others in their harsh judgement of me.
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wow...
I don't like the Reputation System either, for I don't think it takes any "system" to build a reputation...
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I will not at the BFI link to the notes. That you think it is more authoritive than another one is up to you. In five minutes another user find a link that he find more authorative and wants that added in change for a vote. The thing is that none of them are more authorative than the other as we don't know on what sources they are based, not BFI, not imdb. It could be interns copying data from imdb (or DVD profiler for that matter) for all we know.

By your standards I think the most accurate database is an empty one.


Sorry you feel that way, mikkel, I cannot vote yes based on the data you have provided. The .de site was clearly taken from IMDb and you already included them in your notes, and as a sole source for your change i can't support it. Excuse me for trying to be helpful, but since you aren't interested. My No vote stands.

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Excuse me for trying to be helpful, but since you aren't interested. My No vote stands.

Back to what I posted earlier: if you're now sufficiently convinced that the change is correct, why would you keep trying to get it declined? I've seen other users posting additional links with their contribution votes: that's the kind of users I tend to give positive reputation feedback to, 'cause it embodies what this is all about: we're all working together towards an accurate database. I don't understand where this need to get a correct contribution declined comes from.
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Without judging anyone, may I kindly suggest reading Caroline's post here?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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See what I said before, Tim. His notes are the only thing that becomes the record for that title. Vote comments disappear once it is accepted or declined and are thus invalid. If he won't add the BFI link to his notes then I can't support the change.

The links he provided are links which I do not have confidence as i noted in as they are the same source.

Mikkel made the choice, not me. I said i was willing to vote Yes with the BFI refernce as a source, without it I can't and won't, and Mikkel says he won't add it.

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See what I said before, Tim. His notes are the only thing that becomes the record for that title. Vote comments disappear once it is accepted or declined and are thus invalid. If he won't add the BFI link to his notes then I can't support the change.

I've heard that argument before. But is it really that important? It's not that the notes won't show ANY documentation on the matter, just not YOUR preferred bit of documentation. I'm just amazed how anyone would vote "no" just based on principle while actually agreeing with the contribution itself. Anyway - I'm done here. I hope the screeners will make the right decision.
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I agree, deejay. But they aren't interested. It's too bad and makes me sad, I never did return to full contribution, and certainly am not planning to. I supplied reasons and rationale on this topic for example, that should answer any question Tim has. Perhaps i expect to much to expect him to have read everything,his question would have then become unnecessary, instead he and others want to tal at me and not to me, so discussion is near impossible and futile from where I sit. I am not trying to pick on you Tim, but everything I have said on this topic had you read all of it would have answered your question.

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Regarding the off topic section of this thread:

Stating "There are a few users that are a bit TOO hung up on details." in a post not addressed at anyone in particular is nothing more than stating a well known fact in a general fashion. Even if it were not true (which it is), it is NOT derogatory, inflammatory, demeaning or insulting as no one is addressed personally. I'm not going to start looking up and quoting definitions for those adjectives, but I don't think it's necessary.

Calling someone's input in a public forum on an open discussion subject insignificant, unrequired, unhelpful and intrusive however IS demeaning, inflammatory, derogatory and insulting.

To the subject at hand:

I don't think voting "No" against better positive knowledge because of contribution notes that are insufficient by personal standards (!) is a correct way of exercising voting rights. If someone's voting "no" on such occasions, the vote might very well be the cause for knowingly keeping correct data out of the online db, just because the notes are incomplete.

Well, IMO we're not trying to gather the largest collection of correct contribution notes for DVDs, we're trying to create the most accurate database for DVD data. We already have so many pieces of data in this db that are insufficiently documented or even not at all (uncredited cast before the "magic date" anyone?) and are fine with it. IMO, a situation like this is the reason we have the ability to vote "neutral". If you can't bring yourself to vote "yes" to a change you know to be correct for whatever reason, at least don't try to keep good data out of the online db by voting "no".

Just my understanding of what we're trying to do here and what certain terms actually mean.
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