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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting whispering: Quote:
Quoting brimac5477:
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Hi everyone! This is my first forum post! Just curious, does anyone else think some users are WAY too picky on what they vote yes or no on? i have a movie where the run time on the back says 3 hours and 18 minutes and someone shot me a no vote because their dvd player says 3 hours and 28 minutes! Come On!! Does everyone out there before contributing a dvd wait till the last tic of time goes on there dvd and say that is the end. Maybe the time on the back is the actual movie time. And besides am i not to believe the ACTUAL dvd back cover and instead beleive someone's player? Also - Contributed scans - some movies i add have scans in the database and they look like CRAP, but when i add a scan i get "not cropped correct" or "crooked scan". It's not like I am not trying to make them look perfect , but to me it seems like some users get off on the negativity. Anyway just wondering if any users experience this too.... Hey maybe it's just me. I do have 2 kids (ages 3 and 2) and a life. 
Are users too picky? Yes. But a No vote is not a "negative" vote. For contributing the wrong running time YOU werent wrong, the DVD cover was wrong. I personally never check them, if no one has stated a source for a diffrent running time then whats on the cover, i change it to the one on the cover. After the No vote i would have 2 options, withdraw and recontribute either without the running time, or check the running time myself.
For scans i have experienced that myself, some users dont realise that a better scan is better. And voting No against a better scan is against the rules. I would ignore the No vote in such case. Whispering: Be very careful when you are changing running time just because you don't see any documentation at Invelos. Most of thatdata is likely to be at the OLD Intervocative site. So I would NEVER make a change to Cover Time on a bet. Odds are you are simply replacing good, verified data with BAD data. If you don't have access to the old Intervocative site, I still have my 2.5 and I can access that data, sned me a note and ask andd I will be more than happy to check it for you or anyone else that asks. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am another "picky" user & would have to agree on the no votes.
I recently said no to someone adding a CoO to a film because first no source was provided & then only IMDb was listed. The response added to the contribution was something along the lines of "everyone knows it was made there". To me, that is irrelevant. When making a contribution, it clearly states in red to document all sources. The same goes if they just say "Added publisher" & not said where they've obtained that info from.
So yes I am a picky user. Why? Because the rules tell us to be.
Edit: As for the cover scans, I think I have mentioned before that for these, "better" is subjective. What is better to some may not be better to others. Sometimes it can come down to individual monitor calibration. For example, I've currently got one up that looked fine to me. A couple of people felt that the saturation was too high. That may be down to how my monitor is set up compared to theirs. However as it doesn't really effect me I reduced the saturation a bit & re-contributed & now everyone seems to be happy. Would I vote no to a scan that looked clearer but wasn't straight and/or cropped too much? Yes I would because that image is the one that everyone who has the title gets. Most people may be able to manually adjust the image if it's not quite straight but not everyone has the ability/patience/etc... & you can't uncrop an overcropped scan. | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
| | Registered: October 3, 2008 | | Posts: 260 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Brimac:
You may call it picky. But we have Rules that explain ALL of this, including Run Time. If you were changing the runtime that had already been checked on the DVD and posted, the you deserved a No vote...MANY no votes. Read the Rules, Follow them and you atre good, ignore them and well...then you have to live with the results of that.
I am glad you have a life, most of us do, there is nothing that says you must Contribute, but if you do you MUST follow the Rules. We want everyone to Contribute it makes all of our lives a little easier. You have not gotten off to a real good start with your first post being both complaining and displaying an attitude. Profiler does not conform to YOU, ME, Pete or any of our friends, you conform to Profiler. This program has been around for over 8 years now.
The Introduction to our Rules says
"Introduction
Thank you for your interest in contributing to the DVD Profiler main database!
As part of our ongoing quest to maintain, improve and refine our DVD database, we have created these rules. These rules apply to online contributions. You can use DVD Profiler locally, or you can contribute to the main online database, or you can do both. If you want to contribute to the online database, the rules tell you how to complete each DVD Profiler field.
If you wish to save different information in your local profiles, you are free to do so in your local database, but do not contribute your information. The main database is standardized so that all profiles follow these rules. DVD Profiler allows you to lock your data so that it is not overwritten by updates from the main database.
The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible.
Note that it does not say the back of the case or anything else, it says the DVD itself. Many hundreds of thousands of man-hours have been expended by users to get the database where it is today. A bull in the china shop can scramble that hard work very quickly. Follow the Rules and you're cool. Some of us have been here for MANY years, along comes brimac and he demonstrates that he doesn't care about any of that...come on, pal. We aren't that hard to get along with but, we can be very tough. Welcome to our little asylum, Nurse Ratched has your rpivate room and sdtrait jacket already for you.
Skip O.k, o.k i get it.. The users are "picky" i really didn't mean to be complaining or have a attitude or piss peope off, i was just a little frustrated. Again a new user,not making a excuse, but.. And really you demonstrate attitude in your reply as well. "along comes brimac" and "he doesn't care", i didnt think i was being too big of a jerk and again i wasn't complaining..really. i was just asking if anybody else out there thought some users were picky not just this one item but in general. i think this site is great! and i think highly of the users who contribute awesome scans and valuable info.I tell everyone i work with how cool this program is(they are cheap and don't want to fork over the dough). I love how anybody can see your collection online, way cool. But again "no" votes on scans because someone thinks a different scan is better? how about neutral? anyway i'm cool now, i have read in this forum not to take any no votes personal, and just know that they(for the most part) are to just make this program great and as accurate as possible. Hope i can add to all the good others have done before me. Conformming to the program - your "pal" brimac  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 940 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, to be completely picky, I could point out that this thread belongs in the Contribution Discussion forum.  But really, welcome to the asylum Brimac. Once you hang around here a while, you'll see that, picky or not, nobody bites too hard. As for Skip, his tone is somtimes brash, but his heart is in the right place. All we are after here is accuracy. It looks like you understand all that now, so happy profiling.  | | | | Kevin |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | I, for one, don't think pointing out an error of 10 minutes is "being picky." Noting a 1 or 2 minute error could be considered "picky" but not one of 10 minutes.
No, you don't have to check the run time on every box just in case they are "off" -- just don't take offense that someone else DOES and points out your error with a NO vote. That no voter told you what to do to get him to change his vote. You chose to ignore that advice and come here to complain. You'll find that many people here don't like that way of doing things. It doesn't mean we think you are a bad person, but as a newbie you should be a little more circumspect.
Antelod is right about this belonging in the Contriution Discussion forum, BTW. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Quoting CalebAndCo:
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If you've already checked through the end credits, it takes just a few more seconds to FF to the very end and take note of the actual runtime.
If you use something like PowerDVD... all you have to do is have the info box turned on and it tells you automatically how long it is... no need to FF to the very end. Good tip. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | Many of us are or appear to be lets say anal-retentive (or anally retentive, anal retentive) about one thing or another thing.
But one thing is wrong IMHO is rounding the time down or back if less than 29 seconds. (And I took a lot of physic, chemistry and math courses in school.)
The time should be the minimum amount time to contain the film, based on what ever units you are provided. But for the sake the rules I round back, up or down. And allow their watching time down to the actual seconds. But if one is storing a film on disc it might matter.
If a container was labeled 8 ounces, but that was rounded back and you had a 8 ounce cup you could spill something.
I many older films I own if I had only the rounded amount of time to watch the film and it was actually 29 seconds or even 10 seconds longer I would miss the ending or the who one it or did it to who.
Most of the older films do not have any closing credits or if they do they are only a few seconds. Many of today's films seem like the credits are longer than the film or at least as entertaining.
I remember many, many years ago I submitted a profile of a film that was not funny at all, I had clicked on the genre of "Comedy" instead of "Classic." The forum whined about that for many, many pages. I thought it funny. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
| | Registered: October 3, 2008 | | Posts: 260 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
I, for one, don't think pointing out an error of 10 minutes is "being picky." Noting a 1 or 2 minute error could be considered "picky" but not one of 10 minutes.
No, you don't have to check the run time on every box just in case they are "off" -- just don't take offense that someone else DOES and points out your error with a NO vote. That no voter told you what to do to get him to change his vote. You chose to ignore that advice and come here to complain. You'll find that many people here don't like that way of doing things. It doesn't mean we think you are a bad person, but as a newbie you should be a little more circumspect.
Antelod is right about this belonging in the Contriution Discussion forum, BTW. Again i didn't come here to "complain" and i have since corrected the error. i just didn't know the back of the dvd case was ever wrong, my bad for not checking the dvd. sorry that was my error.  also since i wan't asking any questions about the contribution system couldn't this also be considered a general question? anyway thanks for all the help guys and gals i hope i can contribute some useful info along the way. this site rocks!!  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Again i didn't come here to "complain" and i have since corrected the error. i just didn't know the back of the dvd case was ever wrong, my bad for not checking the dvd. sorry that was my error. also since i wan't asking any questions about the contribution system couldn't this also be considered a general question? anyway thanks for all the help guys and gals i hope i can contribute some useful info along the way. this site rocks!! No hard feelings. Getting a NO vote on a contribution isn't always a bad thing. That's often how mistakes get caught. A better way, which I try to do instead of voting NO to an otherwise good contribution, is to PM the contributor and let him know what I think is wrong. If he corrects the "error" or proves that he's right and I'm wrong, I'll then vote YES. If I don't see either a correction or an explanation from him, then I'll probably vote NO. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 19 |
| | Posted: | | | | „DVD-Profiler“ is by far the best dvd-storage-utility-software there is. All the others simply pale in comparison and I know, I’ve tested a few. But with great power comes great responsibility, or so the community thinks, for some of them take their hobby and this software much too serious. So take these friendly pieces of advice:
1. Don’t post in the forums –
Unless you like to be ridiculed for stupid questions (and all newbies have them). This rating system too is strangely fascist and reminds me of my days living in the former German Democratic Republic where everything nonconform gets watched and supervised. An elitist group of users will get their teeth into your neck for every critical or mildly satirical comment as well.
2. Don’t contribute new profiles –
Unless you have no life or are a control-freak who checks his information thrice and spends many hours on making sure all the information entered is valid. Nobody is perfect and most of the profiles in here have false information or errors but certain members of the community delight in finding errors in your profiles and turn it down because they are like little children who want to please their parents (and they don’t even contribute profiles themselves). So they rather live with profiles that have no information at all than one with information they don’t approve of. I often spend hours entering names of cast and crew only to be told that I left out episode deviders or entered cast members that are not mentioned in the credits. Maybe I’m wrong but I like to have an overview of how many films of a certain actor I own. So do it like me: Enter information for profiles but just don’t contribute them. And make sure to lock your profiles or they will be written over by the old bad profiles.
3. Don’t get too hung up on your online collection –
Unless you are a nerd who wants to show off how big his collection is online. There is simply no other use for the online-collection apart from maybe other people having the possibility to check on whether you already own a certain dvd they were going to give you as a present. But it looks awkward, it is very slow, it needs refreshment any couple of minutes and it has no search routines for actors or studios or years or anything (as the profiles are without any information anyway- see point 2). So when you want to access some information from somewhere else than home you better go to Imdb.
4. Don’t ever mention Imdb.
Live by these rules and you will get by just fine. | | | | "Aaaah, Smithers! Listen to the mirthless laughter of the dammned!" |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Scrooge lives.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MrBurns: Quote:
„DVD-Profiler“ is by far the best dvd-storage-utility-software there is. All the others simply pale in comparison and I know, I’ve tested a few. But with great power comes great responsibility, or so the community thinks, for some of them take their hobby and this software much too serious. So take these friendly pieces of advice:
1. Don’t post in the forums –
Unless you like to be ridiculed for stupid questions (and all newbies have them). This rating system too is strangely fascist and reminds me of my days living in the former German Democratic Republic where everything nonconform gets watched and supervised. An elitist group of users will get their teeth into your neck for every critical or mildly satirical comment as well.
2. Don’t contribute new profiles –
Unless you have no life or are a control-freak who checks his information thrice and spends many hours on making sure all the information entered is valid. Nobody is perfect and most of the profiles in here have false information or errors but certain members of the community delight in finding errors in your profiles and turn it down because they are like little children who want to please their parents (and they don’t even contribute profiles themselves). So they rather live with profiles that have no information at all than one with information they don’t approve of. I often spend hours entering names of cast and crew only to be told that I left out episode deviders or entered cast members that are not mentioned in the credits. Maybe I’m wrong but I like to have an overview of how many films of a certain actor I own. So do it like me: Enter information for profiles but just don’t contribute them. And make sure to lock your profiles or they will be written over by the old bad profiles.
3. Don’t get too hung up on your online collection –
Unless you are a nerd who wants to show off how big his collection is online. There is simply no other use for the online-collection apart from maybe other people having the possibility to check on whether you already own a certain dvd they were going to give you as a present. But it looks awkward, it is very slow, it needs refreshment any couple of minutes and it has no search routines for actors or studios or years or anything (as the profiles are without any information anyway- see point 2). So when you want to access some information from somewhere else than home you better go to Imdb.
4. Don’t ever mention Imdb.
Live by these rules and you will get by just fine. So much venom and animosity...and yet, here you are  . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 |  Posts: 582 |
| | Posted: | | | | You sound bitter, MrBurns.
But I do agree on some things. Just noticed today on a profile where someone had added the media publisher. Most voted yes, but 2 voted no stating sources where needed. If you want a source, look at the back of your DVD or the back cover in DVDProfiler. "No votes" should only be used for false data and not for demanding sources for information clearly stated on the cover.
And sometimes there may not be a lot of sources for some information. I see no problem in using IMDB in addition to other sources, or even IMDB if that's the only source available. But I'm going to start a fight over this. I usually just contribute cover art, and adds release date and technical information if missing. Having over 6000 profiles, I choose to prioritize what I think is most important. | | |  | | | | Last edited: by kosvines |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 19 |
| | Posted: | | | | A "bitter" "Scrooge", full of "venom and animosity"? Sure, why do you think they call me Mr. Burns?
But it's all done in good humour, like Mephisto in "Faust".
(Insert your favorite emoticon here) | | | | "Aaaah, Smithers! Listen to the mirthless laughter of the dammned!" |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MrBurns: Quote:
Nobody is perfect and most of the profiles in here have false information or errors but certain members of the community delight in finding errors in your profiles and turn it down Why let the database become worse by letting more profiles have false information? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,744 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MrBurns: Quote:
Unless you like to be ridiculed for stupid questions (and all newbies have them). That's true. Quote:
This rating system too is strangely fascist and reminds me of my days living in the former German Democratic Republic where everything nonconform gets watched and supervised. An elitist group of users will get their teeth into your neck for every critical or mildly satirical comment as well. Do you actually check your reputation status? Have you in any way noticed any restrictions by the forum software after you've received red zingers? I've actually lived in the GDR and I don't take such comparisons lightly. If you compare every officer who gives you a ticket for speeding with the Gestapo then it'll lose its impact and its meaning. | | | Karsten
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