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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | You arem, of course, entitled to your opinion. But I don't think you will get a lot of sympathy. I understand you, and when the Rules were instituted, we knew what was going to happen relative to Cast and crew, but Ken had decided to FORBID the usage of IMDb or any other third party database to be used, an we did not any longer have an opereational linkage system. Now, onvce the common Name is sorted we will have one. If you can't comprehend the whys and wherefores, we will try to help you understand all that.
Otherwise if this about not being able to have the Online YOUR way, well then you are doing precisely the right thing. And that would be to not Contribute and set up YOUR data as you wish.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting beldvd: Quote: I think that verifying current data would be more useful (for example, multiple entries for same actor, but different spelling: e.a Nicole de Boer, making it impossible to cross-reference...). Current actor DB is a complete mess IMHO... The DB would not be such a mess if users had been following the rules all along by taking the names from the film credits. But, we instead had contributors doing what they wanted and others following the rules. Thus the mess... Everyone contributing to the online DB needs to be working off the same set of rules. I'm not judging you on your decision not to contribute, that's your decision to make. Quoting surfeur51: Quote: And for people who think I'm complaining, it's true, but not because I do not contribute anymore. I'm complaining because when I look for a new title, I do not find it in the database. And then I make the job, and keep it for myself, so the next one will also not find it in the database.
All was correct before the month of june. I think people were happy with my 400 contributions (new titles only, and quite none have been recontributed), and I was happy with others' contributions.
Why all that off putting system that is killing contributions ?? Sorry I haven't seen a decrease in the number of contributions since the IVS days. And not finding a new title in the DB, what's new that was an issue with new releases in the past with the IVS database. Personally I thought it was worse then becuase a new release then might take more than a week to go through the system to be approved and released. Ken and Gerri have been approving contributions at a much fast rate than they were before. | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting Bodi:
Quote: The system is not preventing contributions...the fact you have stopped doesn't mean everyone else has as well...I am contributing more to 3.0 then I ever did with any other version.
Perhaps, but the author of this thread did... and he is not the first one to write the same thing, you should read previous posts...
The problem is not the version (great), it is the system of approval. Many contributors don't speak english, and they contribute as the system ask to do it after a change. But they don't understand why their contribution is refused... No, the problem is that you people that couldn't follow the rules can't contribute whatever you feel like anymore. Awwwwwww! Ain't that just tooooo bad. Did it never occur to you that maybe Invelos wouldn't have resorted to such measures if people had been doing things RIGHT to start with? Nah, that would be too much to expect. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 23, 2007 | Posts: 317 |
| Posted: | | | | Quote: No, the problem is that you people that couldn't follow the rules can't contribute whatever you feel like anymore. Awwwwwww! Ain't that just tooooo bad.
Did it never occur to you that maybe Invelos wouldn't have resorted to such measures if people had been doing things RIGHT to start with? Nah, that would be too much to expect. Rifter, that was unnecessary and unhelpful. It's these kinds of attack over nothing attitudes that are making the forums such an inhospitable place to be. | | | This is a sig... ... ... yay...
Don't understand? Maybe DVDProfilerWiki.org does! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,136 |
| Posted: | | | | Just my little contribution to this thread
I sent in a new profile, with cast, crew and features, and it was accepted and released the next day
Just made sure I noted all the facts in the submission page. I may add too much detail, but it works.
Also, I have had it where I had not noticed an error in a profile until either it recieved a no vote or a decline. I have no issues with re-submitting data if I can either correct it or support it.
So, I hope that helps | | | Signature? We don't need no stinking... hang on, this has been done... blast [oooh now in Widescreen] Ah... well you see.... I thought I'd say something more interesting... but cannot think of anything..... oh well And to those of you who have disabled viewing of these signature files "hello" (or not) Registered: July 27, 2004 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 467 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
Sorry I haven't seen a decrease in the number of contributions since the IVS days. And not finding a new title in the DB, what's new that was an issue with new releases in the past with the IVS database. Personally I thought it was worse then becuase a new release then might take more than a week to go through the system to be approved and released. Ken and Gerri have been approving contributions at a much fast rate than they were before. Hi, I don't want to come again the pro and against the rules. I follow them even if I don't always agree with them. When I buy a new DVD doesn't exist in the IVS database I make its profile and contribute it. If I don't have time to do the credits, don't make them and contribute it for others and when I will have more time to do it I will if nobody did it before. You don't see a decrease in the number of contributions because I think you have only R1 dvds as you live in USA and there are a lot of contributers for R1 but for France and Belgium R2, there are not a lot of contributers. We are some users like Surfeur, me... but if 4-5 stop to contribute and we won't have new releases of DVD for these both countries or almost. | | | Regards Cyrille |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | I think you'll find most contributors don't agree 100% with all the rules. But, I abide by them when contributing to the online DB even if I don't agree with a particular rule.
The thing is I understand the need for the rules so everyone is contributing against the same base line. In the case of DVD profiler the DVD itself and the film credits. If contributors stop contributing because they don't want to follow the rules or find the rules too strict. All the ranting by those who don't want to follow the rules on the forums isn't going to make one bit of difference.
If France and Belgium R2 suffer because of the rules, I don't have a solution but, I really haven't seen any solution coming from those in that Region other than let me contribute how I want to. | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. | | | Last edited: by Tracer |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 693 |
| Posted: | | | | Phil:
Personally, I never had a problem contributing to the database. Just make sure you specify the source of the info you are entering (either the DVD or an internal source such as TomGaines's project), and you'll be fine.
No fuss about it, really. | | | October 12th, 1985. Tonight, a comedian died in New York. |
| | Kevin | Registered March 22, 2001 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 609 |
| Posted: | | | | It's funny that the originator to this thread posts something inflammatory, and then disappears. how typical.
Ya don't like the rules? Fine. But if you don't follow them, don't expect to have your contributions approved. I don't like all of the rules either, but I do what I can, my contributions are (nearly) always approved, and I don't worry about it if they aren't.
Personally, I would say "take all information from the disc. If you can't find it on the disc, it's not correct." That would be THE rule. But it's Ken's way. That's right. Ken's way, or the highway.
You think that some of you believe that you life is over if a contribution gets declined. Sheesh. |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote: Quoting surfeur51:
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In fact, the problem is that now we have to recopy exactly what's on the cover or in the DVD, even if it is wrong. When I was used to contribute, I tried to send accurate informations.
Now rules ask for accurate recopy of errors...
Most people who do not want to testify they have recopied errors are flying away from contributing.
If you are referring to the overview this is nothing new. It has been in the rules that way from the beginning. Not sure how it would now chase people away, a couple of years after it was implemented. I just had a discussion with Skip by PM on this subject. It was friendly, though we completely disagree. I said that if there is a spelling mistake on a role in the credits, we should correct it. I gave him an example were I saw "Le profeseur" (teaher), instead "Le professeur" (teacher). He thinks we must keep the mistake, I think not. Rules are not made to defy common sense. If I agree to follow them at 99%, please let people be intelligent... I think that Ken or Gerri should say precisely that when in the rules it is written "exactly what is on overviews", or "exactly what is in the credit" means " exactly, of course when it is without obvious mistake" . And why it would chase people away now ?Because, before June, I corrected the mistakes before contributing , and nobody asked me to testify that it came exactly from the cover or the cerdit. Now, I have to. So, I have the choise to send mistakes (I refuse that), to lie to Gerri (easy, I'm sure she doesn't verify french, but I also refuse that), or stop contributing (easy, no harm for me, not so good for others) | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | But, this is the purpose of the Online DB mistakes and all, it is just a base line that everyone follows when contributing to the online DB. After a user downloads the online DVD profile, if they so choose, then they can customize it however they want.
Your choice not to contribute is yours to make. | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,366 |
| Posted: | | | | I understand completely why we should not correct spelling errors in cast roles and overviews. And that's because it's a slippery slope, one says it has to be this and someone else says it has to be that. While some errors are maybe easy to correct, others are not that obvious. The database is worth more if it's an exact replica of the cover and disc contents. You can always correct mistakes and keep these corrections local. I do not understand why this should keep someone from contributing (partial) profiles. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands | | | Last edited: by Daddy DVD |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote: But, this is the purpose of the Online DB mistakes and all, it is just a base line that everyone follows when contributing to the online DB. After a user downloads the online DVD profile, if they so choose, then they can customize it however they want.
Your choice not to contribute is yours to make. Really i don't see the interest to contribute a mistake knowing that everybody will have to correct it. Those rules are making people loose their common sense. Nobody would have in normal life the incredible attitude we see here because the RULES are more important than anything else on Earth . | | | Images from movies |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 278 |
| Posted: | | | | If I were to correct all the spelling/grammatical mistakes that I see on overviews then I might as well rewrite them myself from scratch.
We contribute any mistakes to stop ping-ponging. Once the profile matches the dvd then people can do what the hell they want in their local. | | | Guns don't kill people. Hammers do. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DariusKyrak: Quote:
Quote: No, the problem is that you people that couldn't follow the rules can't contribute whatever you feel like anymore. Awwwwwww! Ain't that just tooooo bad.
Did it never occur to you that maybe Invelos wouldn't have resorted to such measures if people had been doing things RIGHT to start with? Nah, that would be too much to expect.
Rifter, that was unnecessary and unhelpful. It's these kinds of attack over nothing attitudes that are making the forums such an inhospitable place to be. Why is it unnecessary? Why do we have to put up with that kind of garbage? Nobody is forcing him to use the program, and nobody picked his pocket to get money to buy it, did they? "You pays your money and you takes your chance" to quote an adage that is far, far older than I am. It gets real tiresome having such fools come traipsing through here as if they had a right to expect more than the rest of us. In fact, all Surfuer has done since he got here is bitch about how bad the program is and how bad the rules are. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! | | | Last edited: by Rifter |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Really i don't see the interest to contribute a mistake ... If you don't want to contribute a mistake, don't contribute that field. Quote: ...knowing that everybody will have to correct it. If the "mistake" is what is on the cover, no one will have to correct it. IF the text of the overview is an exact copy of what is on the back cover of the DVD, simply leave it alone. If you want to correct your local copy, that is totally up to you. Just leave the online profile alone. Quote: Those rules are making people loose their common sense. Nobody would have in normal life the incredible attitude we see here because the RULES are more important than anything else on Earth . It's clear you don't want to follow the rules. That is, of course, your right. But don't trying to rationalize that you shouldn't have to follow the rules to contribute - because there are few people contributing French profiles. If people want to have French profiles in the database they will have to follow the contribution rules. Otherwise, maybe they should write their own software and host their own online database using their own bandwidth - not what belongs to Invelos. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
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