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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Really i don't see the interest to contribute a mistake knowing that everybody will have to correct it.
Those rules are making people loose their common sense. Nobody would have in normal life the incredible attitude we see here because the RULES are more important than anything else on Earth . Simply see it this way: Just remember what we are doing here - we are profiling information from DVDs and their packages and try to reflect these informations as good as we can in the profiles. And if there is a mistake on the back cover, it belongs in the profile, too. This has nothing to do with common sense, it's just a part of the job we do. | | | | Michael |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
I just had a discussion with Skip by PM on this subject. It was friendly, though we completely disagree. I said that if there is a spelling mistake on a role in the credits, we should correct it. I gave him an example were I saw "Le profeseur" (teaher), instead "Le professeur" (teacher). He thinks we must keep the mistake, I think not.
Rules are not made to defy common sense. If I agree to follow them at 99%, please let people be intelligent...
I think that Ken or Gerri should say precisely that when in the rules it is written "exactly what is on overviews", or "exactly what is in the credit" means "exactly, of course when it is without obvious mistake"  .
And why it would chase people away now ?
Because, before June, I corrected the mistakes before contributing , and nobody asked me to testify that it came exactly from the cover or the cerdit. Now, I have to. So, I have the choise to send mistakes (I refuse that), to lie to Gerri (easy, I'm sure she doesn't verify french, but I also refuse that), or stop contributing (easy, no harm for me, not so good for others) Now see, this is the part I just don't understand. How hard is it to contribute the mistake, since that is what the rules say to do, and then fix it locally? The measuring stick for the on-line db has to be what is on the DVD. If it weren't, well people would just uploade anything they wanted to. I know because I have seen it. While I agree that uploading obvious errors seems wrong, there is a reason for it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Now see, this is the part I just don't understand. How hard is it to contribute the mistake, since that is what the rules say to do, and then fix it locally? It depends on how you audit your local profiles. I submitted a fair amount of full audits for v2.x (and they did comply to the rules), but I don't bother with contributions any more, because my local profiles diverge too much from what is requested for the Online DB. I neither want spelling errors in the Overview, nor do I want an inflation of single quotes or trademark signs there; I want the DVD distributor in Studios and normalized studio names, I want top-billed actors listed first, etc. In order to contribute profiles, I would have to waste a lot of time on maintaining a secondary set of data that is of no use to me. I rather like to spend my time more productively, and decided that I don't care anymore about the Online database. The large number of quite insane 20+ page discussions with almost no substance in both the Contribution and Contribution Rules forum made this decision fairly easy. | | | | Matthias |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is your decision, goodguy, I understand it and I respect it. FYI I do maintain parallel Dbs and especially with 3.X I don't find it particualrly bothersome.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goodguy: Quote:
....I rather like to spend my time more productively, and decided that I don't care anymore about the Online database. The large number of quite insane 20+ page discussions with almost no substance in both the Contribution and Contribution Rules forum made this decision fairly easy. I was just wondering whether people became mad here, or if it was me. I'm happy to see that there are some other users who have a sound judgement. BTW, Goodguy, thanks for your excellent plugin, that is much more useful for the community than a contribution voluntarily full of mistakes... | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Once again, Yves, one has to understand the function of the two databases. TheOnline serves ALL users not just a few, and ALL users will have the same Overview and they will ALL have the same typo on the back cover. So, anything different from that ecomes user preference which is what the Local database services. The Online must be a level playing field for EVERYONE, and relative to the data for a specific title it will be accurate BASED on the data drawn from that disc and case. You are using different definition of what you believe to be accurate based on whatever parameters you are selecting, or if it is me what ever I am using, it is not right to try and impose YOUR particular poarameters on everyone else. The starting point for all data is the Disc and the Case. Once you come to comprehend that and why you will find it all much easier.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goodguy: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Now see, this is the part I just don't understand. How hard is it to contribute the mistake, since that is what the rules say to do, and then fix it locally?
It depends on how you audit your local profiles. I submitted a fair amount of full audits for v2.x (and they did comply to the rules), but I don't bother with contributions any more, because my local profiles diverge too much from what is requested for the Online DB. I neither want spelling errors in the Overview, nor do I want an inflation of single quotes or trademark signs there; I want the DVD distributor in Studios and normalized studio names, I want top-billed actors listed first, etc.
In order to contribute profiles, I would have to waste a lot of time on maintaining a secondary set of data that is of no use to me. I rather like to spend my time more productively, and decided that I don't care anymore about the Online database. The large number of quite insane 20+ page discussions with almost no substance in both the Contribution and Contribution Rules forum made this decision fairly easy. I maintain one database, the way I like it AND I contribute based on the rules. I prefer my studios in credit order. I prefer top-billed actors first. I prefer 'enter preference here'. None of that stops me from contributing. I audit my titles right after I watch the DVD. I audit based on the rules and contribute. I contribute one time and one time only. Once I have finished contributing, I change the profile to match my preferences and lock it down. The extra work might cost me, at the most, an additional 5 or 10 minutes. But, because I only do a single profile at a time, it really isn't that big of a deal for me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Perhaps, but the author of this thread did... and he is not the first one to write the same thing, you should read previous posts... I have read them...don't worry...and I don't see it as an epidemic like you make it out to be. For every person that stops there is at the very least another that starts. Just follow the rules...it's not very difficult. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree that the rules need to be followed. But by doing so, we occasionally enter known errors: misspelled words and names, illogical grammer and punctuation... and just some strange stuff.
It might be nice (and I have no idea how this might be accomplished, sorry) if there was a way, perhaps a separate field, where a submitter (original or updating one) could enter known errors in the information. (So-and-so's name misspelled in the cast list, etc.) This way we each could see the thoughts from submitters and users and could choose to update the profile locally or not.
This could help those of us who both see oddball inconsistancies and those of us who miss some to keep our local databases without these misspellings and other weirdness.
Just a thought... | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just made my first new contribution today, since the "new" rules. If I read the peoples who complain here this is something almost impossible to do. Guess what ? My contribution was made at 1h05 and it was approve at 4h29. So what's the problem ...
Just write everything clearly and tell where you take the info, nothing magic here ... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Seems to me like the only ones complaining are those that want their info to come from a third party database, (which means somebody else has done the work for them) because they are too lazy to do the contribution properly themselves.
Steve |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | I find myself in the same boat as goodboy in that I expect my contributions will be dropping. Frankly, I don't think it has squat to do with any new rules, but rather my particular data tastes diverging from the online. I won't be wasting my time keeping a second contribution database so, like unicus, I'll do the one time shot and then bow out. Maybe little fixes that are obvious, but no more cast and crews. I'll just keep that stuff local. |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Posts: 117 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip,
Just curious, you say you maintain 2 databases. How do you do it with just one copy of the software running? Let me know as I am interested in doing the same. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting verdejt: Quote:
Skip,
Just curious, you say you maintain 2 databases. How do you do it with just one copy of the software running? Let me know as I am interested in doing the same. You do realize that with version 3.0 you can maintain multiple databases, right? | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 585 |
| | Posted: | | | | verdejt, as of version 3.x you can maintain as many databases as you want. I think it was possible in version 2.x there was just more involved and it was kind of a pain.
Anyway, if you want to create a 2nd database (or as many as you like) just click File -> Open Database -> New Database. Bam.. you now have another database to do with as you wish. | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote:
I agree that the rules need to be followed. But by doing so, we occasionally enter known errors: misspelled words and names, illogical grammer and punctuation... and just some strange stuff.
It might be nice (and I have no idea how this might be accomplished, sorry) if there was a way, perhaps a separate field, where a submitter (original or updating one) could enter known errors ... People say they enter mistakes to avoid ping pong. Why not use the vote system? If there is a spelling mistake in a overview, the first contributor corrects it. If someone wants to put back the mistake, votes will decide. What we have now are people contributing the mistake, and if somebody wants to correct it, he gets no votes. Sorry, but this ultra strict application of the rules is MAD. | | | | Images from movies |
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