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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Including this sentence (which has nothing to do with an overview) saves time for two or three dozens of guys who want it, and obliges thousands of guys who do not want it to remove it. And exactly where are the statistics to support this? Or perhaps, you just made it up? | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
And exactly where are the statistics to support this?
If you had read all what I wrote, you would have found the answer, that I gave in advance. Based on the fact that common sense is common (but I know that some people wash their hands with strawberry jam and eat soap at breakfast...  ) | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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And exactly where are the statistics to support this?
If you had read all what I wrote, you would have found the answer, that I gave in advance. Based on the fact that common sense is common (but I know that some people wash their hands with strawberry jam and eat soap at breakfast... ) When you offer specific numbers, expect to be challenged. Common sense does not in any way support your ratio of those for including it versus those against. If you want to express your opinion, feel free, but don't present it as if it were facts. Thanks. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | My common sense tells me that the person who authored the text for the back cover of this DVD spent some time researching this movie to find the reviews that are quoted and then cleverly wrote a sentence that incorporated those reviews into a sentence about this movie. My common sense tells me (and apparently more than just a few others) that because this is an "original" thought developed specifically for the back cover of the DVD, that it is in fact part of the Overview and should be included.
Unfortunately (or fortunately), my common sense carries no more weight than yours. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Again, I have to ask, what harm is being done by including these sentences? How is the program diminished?  There is no harm. My only true point is consistency. If we are going to include reviews, then we include reviews. If we are not including reviews then we don't include reviews. I do understand that we need exceptions for certian things within the program, bu they should be few, and should be there for a reason (i.e. limitations of the program). The program is not limited here. What we are setting up is; Do not include reviews unless They are incorporated within the text of a paragraph There is more than one strung together to make a sentence or a paragraph. While there is no harm, this leads to inconsistency. So the real question should come down to this Do we include reviews or not? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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And exactly where are the statistics to support this?
If you had read all what I wrote, you would have found the answer, that I gave in advance. Based on the fact that common sense is common (but I know that some people wash their hands with strawberry jam and eat soap at breakfast... )
When you offer specific numbers, expect to be challenged. Common sense does not in any way support your ratio of those for including it versus those against. If you want to express your opinion, feel free, but don't present it as if it were facts.
Thanks. Completely agree! | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
My common sense tells me that the person who authored the text for the back cover of this DVD spent some time researching this movie to find the reviews that are quoted and then cleverly wrote a sentence that incorporated those reviews into a sentence about this movie. My common sense tells me (and apparently more than just a few others) that because this is an "original" thought developed specifically for the back cover of the DVD, that it is in fact part of the Overview and should be included.
Unfortunately (or fortunately), my common sense carries no more weight than yours. Again... I completely agree!  | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
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Again, I have to ask, what harm is being done by including these sentences? How is the program diminished?
There is no harm. My only true point is consistency. If we are going to include reviews, then we include reviews. If we are not including reviews then we don't include reviews.
I do understand that we need exceptions for certian things within the program, bu they should be few, and should be there for a reason (i.e. limitations of the program). The program is not limited here. What we are setting up is;
Do not include reviews unless
They are incorporated within the text of a paragraph
There is more than one strung together to make a sentence or a paragraph.
While there is no harm, this leads to inconsistency. So the real question should come down to this
Do we include reviews or not? In a case like this I really don't believe it could be an answer of always or never. With some things the answer needs to be sometimes. And then we just need to be as clear as possible in the rules to make it understandable when to include and when not to. Unfortunately at times that is easier said then done. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
My common sense tells me that the person who authored the text for the back cover of this DVD spent some time researching this movie to find the reviews that are quoted and then cleverly wrote a sentence that incorporated those reviews into a sentence about this movie. My common sense tells me (and apparently more than just a few others) that because this is an "original" thought developed specifically for the back cover of the DVD, that it is in fact part of the Overview and should be included.
Unfortunately (or fortunately), my common sense carries no more weight than yours. Doesn't this apply for everything on the back cover. Who ever authored the back cover did research and put thought into everything. Including but not limited to; The overview of the Film The "accolades" The strung together reviews The stand alone reviews The tag line The presentation of the features By what you are saying, all these should be included within the overview in the program. I know this is extreme, but if we start on this, the next questions; Why not include the "Tag Line", it is descriptive of the film? Why not include the stand alone reviews? The only thing I want is consistency. I am tired of exceptions. We either include reviews or not.  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | @CharlieM
Except that all of the things you list are not written in "prose" writing style, except possibly a standalone review or tagline which are expressly forbidden under the rules. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
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Again, I have to ask, what harm is being done by including these sentences? How is the program diminished?
There is no harm. My only true point is consistency. If we are going to include reviews, then we include reviews. If we are not including reviews then we don't include reviews. Let's take the other extreme. If we exclude reviews, we must exclude all reviews, which means if they appear in the middle of a sentence in the middle of the Overview, then they must be excluded in order to be "consistent". Do you really advocate that? | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
My common sense tells me that the person who authored the text for the back cover of this DVD spent some time researching this movie to find the reviews that are quoted and then cleverly wrote a sentence that incorporated those reviews into a sentence about this movie. My common sense tells me (and apparently more than just a few others) that because this is an "original" thought developed specifically for the back cover of the DVD, that it is in fact part of the Overview and should be included.
Unfortunately (or fortunately), my common sense carries no more weight than yours. Well said. Agree 100% |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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Again, I have to ask, what harm is being done by including these sentences? How is the program diminished?
There is no harm. My only true point is consistency. If we are going to include reviews, then we include reviews. If we are not including reviews then we don't include reviews.
Let's take the other extreme. If we exclude reviews, we must exclude all reviews, which means if they appear in the middle of a sentence in the middle of the Overview, then they must be excluded in order to be "consistent".
Do really advocate that? Therein lies the trouble. Where is the line drawn. While I do understand the need for including the reviews when directly incorporated into a sentence/paragraph, why do we need to go further than that. I would much prefer to include the tagline into the overview. At least that is typically directly descriptive of the film, instead of being indirectly descriptive of awards or opinion of an actors or story line. Mind you this is my opinion. I am not a fan of exceptions, except where they are prudent. Of course, I do not make the rules, and follow them to the best of my ability. I will go with what ever is the outcome (please write it into the rules, what ever the outcome) Charlie |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
@CharlieM
Except that all of the things you list are not written in "prose" writing style, except possibly a standalone review or tagline which are expressly forbidden under the rules. I have seen features written in a "prose" style - "Includes never before seen footage.", and others (I do not advocate including these) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm inclined to leave the rule as is. It has worked pretty well, and oddball items like this don't seem sufficient reason to substitute a fairly clear and workable rule with one that introduces extra elements of subjectivity. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." | | | | Last edited: by gardibolt |
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