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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,436 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree that the Adult genre should be used to filter out Adult content. | | | Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan. Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,692 |
| Posted: | | | | We seem to have mooved away from the start of this discussion which was someone wanting to change an Adult rating to a lower one because the dvd cover didn't have Adult rating.
have we come to a conclusion as to what the agreement is? (I've read all the posts but can't see an answer anywhere).
I have seen that the original poster is going to change the rating to a lower one - but was that thought the best way at this time?
(This ignores what you want the situation changed to in future) | | | Paul |
| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Posts: 27 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote: We seem to have mooved away from the start of this discussion which was someone wanting to change an Adult rating to a lower one because the dvd cover didn't have Adult rating.
have we come to a conclusion as to what the agreement is? (I've read all the posts but can't see an answer anywhere).
I have seen that the original poster is going to change the rating to a lower one - but was that thought the best way at this time? ... I started this - my impression (overall - ignoring the other questions that this discussion has raised) is that I should update the profile to NR because that's what is on the DVD cover - the genre is already set to Adult and this will filter the title for those you who wish to use the Parental Controls. I'll probably do this sometime soon when I've had a chance to scan in new covers and fix a couple of other errors in the current listing. | | | Everything in the world is a second order system, if you're not too fussy. And if it isn't, you are. | | | Last edited: by recursive |
| Registered: May 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,033 |
| Posted: | | | | Some info on the MPAA rating system in the US hereand at wikipediathey both seem to have pretty good history and info though i only skimmed them to quickly verify some info i believe I heard about the rating system, which seems to be confirmed by both. (the first one even mentions the movie tweeter mentioned) First, the rating is done by an anonimous board (head 3 are now listed on site, but used to be completley anonomous - possible relation to 'This Film is Not Yet Rated') (confirmed in article) Second, (i believe this is at least partially confirmed in the articles) submission to the rating board is optional, however most movie theaters won't show unrated movies so if you want it to have a decent (any?) chance of success in the box office you basically need to get it rated. NC-17, as stated, most directors will edit the film to get an R rating rather than NC-17 because alot of theaters won't show NC-17. i remember when Showgirls came out and was NC-17 it was a huge deal. anyway, I think my final point, and reason for posting this, is why can't we as users decide whats 'Adult' thats basically what the rating board does. A group of people watch it and give it a rating. Only real difference is we wouldn't be official outside of the program, and we probably have more people looking at and deciding the rating (Adult status) for each movie. Additionally, my only problem with a user defined check box (which I think is a good idea) is that if there is legal issues with displaying the info (and even if there isn't) there is no consitencey. (which this problem may be present in the current system as well) To best describe let me give an example. if User A decides that sexuality is ok and allows Showgirls to show online, but user B doesn't. then if someone goes to User A's collection they see showgirls, if they go to user b's they don't. Like I said, this might currently be an issue, because user A could simply be showing Adult films in public listing and User B not doing so and I believe the same issue would arise. So basically it boils down to are we talking online or strictly local. online needs global rules that apply to all as anyone can see it. local can be set up so that the owner has control over what people that have access to his/her database can see when viewing. -Agrare p.s. Hopefully my point was clear, i can clarify if need be, but figured this post was long enough as is |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote: Some info on the MPAA rating system in the US here
and at wikipedia
they both seem to have pretty good history and info though i only skimmed them to quickly verify some info i believe I heard about the rating system, which seems to be confirmed by both. (the first one even mentions the movie tweeter mentioned)
First, the rating is done by an anonimous board (head 3 are now listed on site, but used to be completley anonomous - possible relation to 'This Film is Not Yet Rated') (confirmed in article)
Second, (i believe this is at least partially confirmed in the articles) submission to the rating board is optional, however most movie theaters won't show unrated movies so if you want it to have a decent (any?) chance of success in the box office you basically need to get it rated.
NC-17, as stated, most directors will edit the film to get an R rating rather than NC-17 because alot of theaters won't show NC-17. i remember when Showgirls came out and was NC-17 it was a huge deal.
anyway, I think my final point, and reason for posting this, is why can't we as users decide whats 'Adult' thats basically what the rating board does. A group of people watch it and give it a rating. Only real difference is we wouldn't be official outside of the program, and we probably have more people looking at and deciding the rating (Adult status) for each movie.
Additionally, my only problem with a user defined check box (which I think is a good idea) is that if there is legal issues with displaying the info (and even if there isn't) there is no consitencey. (which this problem may be present in the current system as well) To best describe let me give an example. if User A decides that sexuality is ok and allows Showgirls to show online, but user B doesn't. then if someone goes to User A's collection they see showgirls, if they go to user b's they don't. Like I said, this might currently be an issue, because user A could simply be showing Adult films in public listing and User B not doing so and I believe the same issue would arise.
So basically it boils down to are we talking online or strictly local. online needs global rules that apply to all as anyone can see it. local can be set up so that the owner has control over what people that have access to his/her database can see when viewing.
-Agrare
p.s. Hopefully my point was clear, i can clarify if need be, but figured this post was long enough as is ^5 for understanding what the distinctions are. YAAAAAAAAYYYYY! He shoots...he scores. And the crowd goes wild!!!!!!!!!!!!! Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,029 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote: anyway, I think my final point, and reason for posting this, is why can't we as users decide whats 'Adult' thats basically what the rating board does. A group of people watch it and give it a rating. Only real difference is we wouldn't be official outside of the program, and we probably have more people looking at and deciding the rating (Adult status) for each movie.
Additionally, my only problem with a user defined check box (which I think is a good idea) is that if there is legal issues with displaying the info (and even if there isn't) there is no consitencey. (which this problem may be present in the current system as well) To best describe let me give an example. if User A decides that sexuality is ok and allows Showgirls to show online, but user B doesn't. then if someone goes to User A's collection they see showgirls, if they go to user b's they don't. Like I said, this might currently be an issue, because user A could simply be showing Adult films in public listing and User B not doing so and I believe the same issue would arise. For your local display in DVD Profiler, you already have the Parental Control options. There you can define if your own definition of "adult" should mean the "Adult" rating only, or should include other ratings like "NC-17" and "NR", and if the "Adult" genre is to be used. For the Online Collection, Ken has obviously chosen to provide a fixed definition of "adult" (which I explained elsewhere), and the only option is to show or hide the profiles that match those criteria. I don't know if Ken has done this for possible legal reasons or to keep things simple - keep in mind that the entire display of the Online Collection is currently not *that* sophisticated. Maybe he plans to provide more options for the rumored My Profiler Plus. Bottom line: If legal issues are not the reason for the current implementation, the best course of action would be to provide the same set of options for the Online Collection that are available for Parental Control in the DVD Profiler program. Another checkbox in addition to the already available ratings and genre that define "adult" is utterly superfluous. | | | Matthias | | | Last edited: by goodguy |
| Registered: March 24, 2007 | Posts: 240 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
So basically it boils down to are we talking online or strictly local. online needs global rules that apply to all as anyone can see it. local can be set up so that the owner has control over what people that have access to his/her database can see when viewing.
-Agrare
p.s. Hopefully my point was clear, i can clarify if need be, but figured this post was long enough as is It's still not going to work like that, at least not 100%. Using the same example showgirls a non-US version may not be rated as adult. In Canada Showgirls is only rated R so if I had the Canadian version it would show up in my profile, but not in a profile that has the US NC-17 ranted disc. I think a lot of the problem is the use of the euphemism "adult" for pornographic. If the intent of the current "Adult" rating is to flag Porn/Sex films then I agree with others that it should be changed to XXX (still a euphemism but one with a clear meaning). | | | Tom. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,692 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tas314: Quote: Quoting Agrare:
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So basically it boils down to are we talking online or strictly local. online needs global rules that apply to all as anyone can see it. local can be set up so that the owner has control over what people that have access to his/her database can see when viewing.
-Agrare
p.s. Hopefully my point was clear, i can clarify if need be, but figured this post was long enough as is It's still not going to work like that, at least not 100%. Using the same example showgirls a non-US version may not be rated as adult. In Canada Showgirls is only rated R so if I had the Canadian version it would show up in my profile, but not in a profile that has the US NC-17 ranted disc.
I think a lot of the problem is the use of the euphemism "adult" for pornographic. If the intent of the current "Adult" rating is to flag Porn/Sex films then I agree with others that it should be changed to XXX (still a euphemism but one with a clear meaning). why do you assume its to flag porn/sex? Why not flag Violent films? | | | Paul |
| Registered: March 24, 2007 | Posts: 240 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
why do you assume its to flag porn/sex? Why not flag Violent films? Because it's from the US where you can see murder on TV any day but flash a boob and all hell breaks out. The Adult Entertainment Expo that runs next to CES is all about Porn, An Adult Video store sells porn, when you say "Adult Video" people hear "Prono film". Google "adult video" and see what you get I think the "Adult rating" is intended to flag sex videos, from Playboy to the real nasty stuff. I'm sure almost everyone can agree that kids don't need to see that... I say call it what it is, XXX or Porn not "Adult" I think what you and some others are talking about is films that are "not suitable for children" but are NR. This would be more like a Genre in that a lot of people will have different ideas about what films are "not suitable for children". So I would say change the "Adult rating" to XXX. Change the Adult Genre to "Not Suitable for Children" or better a new "Not Suitable for Children" check box that auto locks if you change it (like disc ID) so it will not change back with the next update to the profile. | | | Tom. |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote: why do you assume its to flag porn/sex? Why not flag Violent films? It seems that we turn in round here, since this was already discuss in the request forum. That's not complicated they are 3 ways to correct this "adult" problem : 1. Do nothing; 2. The re-mapping of the rating as mention by Goodguy here; 3. implemented a way to combine the parental control of DVDP or an adult switch with our personal online database. I don't see any other way. The first way is obviously to forget, since we already know that the system actual don't work. The second and the third way work together, first the mapping need to be corected since it countains some error (by exemple the rating system use for my locality is not the good one) and secondly the use of a personal "censor" (Parental control or switch) will make the user decide by himself what he flag as not suitable for his online collection. For the problem of the "adult" genre, the solution that Martin_Zuidervliet sugest here seems perfectly reasonable to me But right now there not too much more that we can do, the decision belongs to Ken ... | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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