Quoting surfeur51:

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Here, it's time to watch a DVD then go to bed. Nice day/evening for everybody... 

Sweet dreams, Yves! 

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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I would also say... most TV series opening credits has the main cast and guest cast (during the episode I would also point out) one at a time on the screen just like these documentaries do. Not in lists.. so do you intend we stop including those?

I had forgotten about TV credits.  I just watched the first two episodes of Xena...finally picked it up on DVD...and the maind cast is, indeed, listed individually during different scenes.  No list there, yet we enter them all the same.

Just to hopefully add to the discussion with the reason for my choice, I am just trying to do the credits for a documentary that has no credits at the end or beginning for anyone except the main focus of the doco, but does caption them with name and role.

This would mean, if I use the defintion that they are not a list so are not credits, they are all uncredited. OK say I accept that (with or without adding the additional role info after Himself/Herself). Now, I also happen to know one of the people is under 'wrong' name by the CLT on her on screen credit.

Since by this method I am having to use "uncredited" I cannot use Credited As so I now have a DVDP cast list without the name of someone who is captioned on screen and vice versa... BTW this is a pre and post porn star career name change so it's not just a case of adding a middle initial, the names are totally different.

This, to me, seems totally wrong and 1) likely to have the on-screen name added as a separate entry for the actress at some point in future and 2) will not be useful in identifying the person on screen. And, FWIW, it also means really uncredited people (ie those who I recognise but don't get on screen captions) cannot be separated from those with on screen captions confusing the matter further.

For this reason I think that the on screen captons should be taken as credits if there are no end/beginning list of credits.

Quoting Merrik:

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Personally, something I've always wanted, is a different subset of rules or guidelines for things such as documentaries, music video profiles and concert profiles.

They're not even remotely the same to regular films when it comes to things like cast and crew data, and we shouldn't try to shove the guidelines and definitions we use for films on these certain cases.

Quoting surfeur51:

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For me what is important is how we treat all the texts that describe someone (human or animal) that "played" or "had a role" specially  for this movie or documentary. For me, those texts are not credits, just an information. We can use that information but have to add "uncredited" if we contribute them in a cast list.

Another example of possible problem to take "credits" inside movie :



As everybody can easily verify, this actor is Mandla Gaduka, and what is on screen is his role and role in the role, not his name with his role. In this case, end credits exist that give correct information. But can we be sure that this case does not exist with no end credits, or for uncredited actors, that would give false information ?

That is why I am in favor that all is not in "normal credits" be considered as "uncredited".

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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I just watched the first two episodes of Xena...finally picked it up on DVD...and the main cast is, indeed, listed individually during different scenes.  No list there, yet we enter them all the same.

Quoting paulb_99:

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I think it's obvious for everyone a movie doesn't use credits on screen while it's playing so this a not only a moot point...

Sorry, but now you're making things up just to make things getting your way. This is a film (District 9) with actual end credits.

Even if there would be a documentary film in which an actor/person is credited under a fictitious name and an associated role during the film and no end credits then there's still the 'credited as' feature. In your reasoning I could also fabricate another hypothetical example. What do we do if a actor/person is credited under a fictitious name and associated role in the end credits? Applying the common name rules. The same thing applies for actors who have used some sort of stage name or screenwriters using a pseudonym. Shouldn't we add them? Yes of course should! Those are all fictitious names (stage names, pseudonyms or pen names, roles within roles etc.) and there's is a 'credited as' feature for these cases.

Quoting Corne:

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In your reasoning I could also fabricate another hypothetical example. What do we do if a actor/person is credited under a fictitious name and associated role in the end credits? Applying the common name rules. The same thing applies for actors who have used some sort of stage name or screenwriters using a pseudonym. Shouldn't we add them? Yes of course should! Those are all fictitious names (stage names, pseudonyms or pen names, roles within roles etc.) and there's is a 'credited as' feature for these cases.

I repeat my position :
- listed in normal credits : as on screen
- non listed in normal credits : uncredited