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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
But you forgot that there is a divider in place and the divider says restoration Crew and the head of the restoration crew- the top banana himself- Robert Harris.. Who individually directed all segments of the films element to be put together a certain way.. So he was kind of a director ..' Of the Restoration" . He was "kind of a director"? We don't track co-directors, unit directors or directors of special features...why would we track someone who is 'kind of a director'?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,485 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually Kinda is my word,, the actual words used is Direction / Director .. Not Kinda .. My mistake.. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unicus:
Don't interpret. The data say DIRECTOR, that is all we need. PERIOD. The data does not say kind of a director, then you would be coprrect, it doesn't say Co-Director. It says DIRECTOR, follow the data. Data interpretation belongs in only ONE place.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
Actually Kinda is my word,, the actual words used is Direction / Director .. Not Kinda .. My mistake.. I knew it was your word, I don't think anybody would think that the credit actually read 'Kind of a director - Robert Harris'. Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Unicus:
Don't interpret. The data say DIRECTOR, that is all we need. PERIOD. The data does not say kind of a director, then you would be coprrect, it doesn't say Co-Director. It says DIRECTOR, follow the data. Data interpretation belongs in only ONE place.
Skip I am not interpreting the data, I am asking a question. We track film directors, so why do we want to enter someone who didn't direct the film? I can understand why mdnitoil wants to leave him out, I am just trying to understand why widescreen wants to include him. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I understand midnit's stand as well, but that calls for data interpretattion which is the exclusive perview of him in his local. As to why Terry wants to include him, I believe I explained that already in my previous post. Robert Harris is one of the TOP restoration artists in the industry, Terry did not create the credit nor did he interpret the credit,the credit lists Robert Harris as Director relative to the restoration, because of the man's importance in the field and the uninterpreted data I believe Terry is correct on this. The ultimate call belongs to each and every user, just as it always does with regards to their own data, THAT is where interpretation belongs.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I were to enter any crew then I would enter them if they matched the allowed terms per the rules. To me it's no different to including the Special Edition Star Wars crew. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,485 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
If I were to enter any crew then I would enter them if they matched the allowed terms per the rules. To me it's no different to including the Special Edition Star Wars crew. Didn't the 1997 Star War release films have a differant set of end/crew-credits over the early saga from 77 -83 ? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | LOL, there has been a lot of variation in Star Wars over the years. For those of us lucky enough to own Laserdiscs or the old Videotapes we know that ORIGINALLY James Earl Jones did not receive a credit in Star Wars.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes the SE versions have an extra section at the end of the credits. |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Re: Robert Harris and his "Director" credit
Aside from the point that we should use the credits as they appear on screen, an argument can be made that Robert Harris did perform the job of a Director as it applies to restoration.
I don't know the details of this restoration, but generally someone in his position would have made creative decisions with regards to contrast, lighting, colour fidelity, even soundscape design if that was part of the restoration project.
So while he is not a director in the traditional sense, he is the person primarily responsible for the creative aspects of a restoration, much like an on set director is the person primarily responsible for the creative aspects of a film shoot.
And since his credit would appear under the Restoration Crew divider, I for one tend to think it's an appropriate credit. Aside from the fact that we should follow the rules and not interpret the credits as written.
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| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
Aside from the point that we should use the credits as they appear on screen, an argument can be made that Robert Harris did perform the job of a Director as it applies to restoration. By that logic though, we could add divider and list the producer of the DVD itself, which is roughly what this is akin too. I appreciate that Robert A Harris's work was vital to the presentation of the movie as it is here, but Van Ling's work was Charles de Lauzirika was pretty critical on the Kingdom of Heaven special edition and we don't list him. If we're going to list this (which I dodn't object to in principle), it seems lots of other people should be listed. This would be inconsistant with current standards. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,485 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting Astrakan:
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Aside from the point that we should use the credits as they appear on screen, an argument can be made that Robert Harris did perform the job of a Director as it applies to restoration.
By that logic though, we could add divider and list the producer of the DVD itself, which is roughly what this is akin too. I appreciate that Robert A Harris's work was vital to the presentation of the movie as it is here, but Van Ling's work was Charles de Lauzirika was pretty critical on the Kingdom of Heaven special edition and we don't list him. If we're going to list this (which I dodn't object to in principle), it seems lots of other people should be listed. This would be inconsistant with current standards. or listing one's parents as the creater of the creater ...  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
By that logic though, we could add divider and list the producer of the DVD itself, which is roughly what this is akin too. If they are listed in the movie credits the way the restoration crew is, then I agree with you. KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting Astrakan:
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Aside from the point that we should use the credits as they appear on screen, an argument can be made that Robert Harris did perform the job of a Director as it applies to restoration.
By that logic though, we could add divider and list the producer of the DVD itself, which is roughly what this is akin too. I appreciate that Robert A Harris's work was vital to the presentation of the movie as it is here, but Van Ling's work was Charles de Lauzirika was pretty critical on the Kingdom of Heaven special edition and we don't list him. If we're going to list this (which I dodn't object to in principle), it seems lots of other people should be listed. This would be inconsistant with current standards. The problem as I see it with your argument here, Ace, is that Van Ling is not listed as a Part of the film credits, which the restoration team is typically. DVD Credits are another matter entirely and something that MAY be on the disc somewhere but NOT part of the film credits. To date we don't deal with the DVD Credits...should we...I don't know, I don't think i have any interest in them with perhaps some notable exceptions. I would think that DVD Credits, if implemented would not be a part of the film credits but would have their own section, which i would call DVD Credits. What would be involved in those credits I have no idea, they are not something I look at generally so I don't know what the possibilities are. I grok this, do you? Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
The problem as I see it with your argument here, Ace, is that Van Ling is not listed as a Part of the film credits, which the restoration team is typically. DVD Credits are another matter entirely and something that MAY be on the disc somewhere but NOT part of the film credits. To date we don't deal with the DVD Credits...should we...I don't know, I don't think i have any interest in them with perhaps some notable exceptions. I would think that DVD Credits, if implemented would not be a part of the film credits but would have their own section, which i would call DVD Credits. What would be involved in those credits I have no idea, they are not something I look at generally so I don't know what the possibilities are.
I grok this, do you?
Skip Didn't you say this should be kept local initially? I agree with that. They are separated from the credits for the film, itself though. The media publisher logo often automatically plays at the end of the movie, but they're still a media company, not a regular production company. Even in the regular credits, if there's a heading called "London unit" and it lists a cinematogrpaher and a director, we don't list then even though they did the job of a cinematographer and director, albeit with a limited scope, and worked on the film itself. Robert A. Harris was never on any sort of shooting set, didn't make decisions about how to translate the script to screen and generally had a completely different job than a film director. I can see an argument for listing people who did new sound mixing, color timing (if we listed color timing), etc because they do essentially the same thing as any sound mixer or color timer, but not directors or anyone else with a completely different job. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | I guess the point that I was trying to make was that, for a restoration, there are just certain jobs that can't be done. Off the top of my head, direction, production design, costume design, director of photography. I'm sorry folks, these jobs all occur at the time the film is originally being created, and no matter of restoration allows us to go back and change any of the choices these folks originally made. If any of these things are changed, then it is no longer a restoration.
Now, you can call the guy in charge of the restoration effort a director, king, emperor or any number of other titles, but what the heck that has to do with Profiler is beyond me. |
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