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Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl: Collector's Edition and Guess Who. (Locked)
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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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Currently the index is not built to consider birth years.  I'll add it to my list for further investigation.  The complication is that the lookup goes based on the Credited As field, which does not have a direct tie to birth year.  The birth year is tied to the common name entered for that credit, which is not considered for the lookup tool.  Still, possibly there's a way to make it work.
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Thank You Ken
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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Currently the index is not built to consider birth years.  I'll add it to my list for further investigation.  The complication is that the lookup goes based on the Credited As field, which does not have a direct tie to birth year.  The birth year is tied to the common name entered for that credit, which is not considered for the lookup tool.  Still, possibly there's a way to make it work.


Thanks for the update Ken... I hope you can make it work somehow... I think it would make some of it much easier.
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs.  The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name. 

However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered.  Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results.


Sounds quite reasonable to me.
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It may be difficult to make the needed corrections sometimes, if the Lookup Tool is refeenced for No votes...

or what am I missing...?
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Always fun to resurrect old threads - and this was a particularly important one, with Ken stating for the first time that the common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name. Unfortunately, the CLT often doesn’t show us “the most commonly credited name”, but gives us the IMDb-name instead.

Anyway, several years down the line, I'm glad to report that as of today there are finally enough incorrect IMDb-mined entries cleaned up to make Zoë Saldana - with accented ë - the common name, which is what this thread was about. Checking most of her credits back in 2007 already clinched the deal for me, and I've been using the actual most-credited form ever since, but others had more difficulty looking past the huge chunk of IMDb-mined data returned by the CLT. Now the numbers have finally caught up with the way she signs her own name... 



Current CLT numbers:

Zoë Saldana - 19 titles (243 profiles)
Zoe Saldana - 18 titles (168 profiles), part of which is still bad IMDb-mined data, even for brand-new films like 'Avatar'. 
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Great, so now we have to change her common name in all those profiles where she's actually credited as Zoe Saldana. Sometimes I really wonder what we have accomplished with this game. Round and round we go... Surely there must be a better way to do this? Maybe an automatic linking or something.
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Quoting Kinoniki:
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Great, so now we have to change her common name in all those profiles where she's actually credited as Zoe Saldana. Sometimes I really wonder what we have accomplished with this game. Round and round we go... Surely there must be a better way to do this? Maybe an automatic linking or something.


I couldn't agree more. Every time i read something like this or if i download a profile i should go through all these profiles and link these people, until something changes and i have to do it all over again.

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to paul and Kino  to Tim. I am just so thrilled...NOT

Ken Keeps saying all we are after the Most Commonly Credited Name not the "correct" name or the real name.
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T!M's point was that the most commonly credited name has changed now as a result of correcting IMDb-mined data. I can't imagine you being against removing IMDb data, Skip!

That the most commonly credited name now coïncides with the "real" name is secondary.
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T!M's point was that the most commonly credited name has changed now as a result of correcting IMDb-mined data. I can't image you being against removing IMDb data, Skip!

That the most commonly credited name now coïncides with the "real" name is secondary.

Exactly! 

Other than that, I just enjoy pointing out that this was already abundantly clear back in 2007 for those that took the trouble to look just a tiny bit beyond the plain CLT numbers (like Ken said: "errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly can and should be considered"). Verifying a large number of credits, there was no doubt even then that "Zoë" was the most-credited form and that most "Zoe" credits were - and still are - bad IMDb-mined data. Some people just chose to ignore those facts, and thus they kept propagating the incorrect IMDb-name for several years. But since November 13, 2007, I personally have been using the actual most-credited form ("Zoë") as the common name - no "round and round we go" for me. I'm just reporting that the CLT numbers have finally catched up to the truth in this particular case, so that even those that used the hugely flawed CLT numbers to cling on to the incorrect IMDb-name, can now revert those incorrect entries.

It's also interesting to note just how far the CLT numbers were off: you'll note that eaglejd's original opening post from this thread reports that the CLT on November 13, 2007 showed a staggering number of 82 alledged "Zoe Saldana" titles - let me stress that again: eighty-two! And now there are only 18 left (about 80% gone already), and most of those remaining ones are still bad IMDb-mined data! Now that gives you an idea of the IMDb-data you have to take into account when looking at the CLT numbers... As always, the truth is in there somewhere, but it really takes some work to get to it.
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Quoting paulb_99:
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Great, so now we have to change her common name in all those profiles where she's actually credited as Zoe Saldana. Sometimes I really wonder what we have accomplished with this game. Round and round we go... Surely there must be a better way to do this? Maybe an automatic linking or something.


I couldn't agree more. Every time i read something like this or if i download a profile i should go through all these profiles and link these people, until something changes and i have to do it all over again.

Paul


I understand your feelings, but you have to understand that this is the inevitable consequence of the way the name linking system in DVDP has been set up. What is the most commonly credited name can change over time. I don't think your wish to avoid this could serve as a justification for leaving IMDb-mined data in place.
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Quoting Kinoniki:
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Great, so now we have to change her common name in all those profiles where she's actually credited as Zoe Saldana.

The good news is: those hardly exist. "All those profiles", as you put it, were actually mostly IMDb-mined data, and had her name listed wrong. One of the very few actual "Zoe Saldana" credits is in 'Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl' - so yeah, that one needs to have the common name added. But this mostly means that you have to revert any "Zoe Saldana [Zoë Saldana]" credits back into just "Zoë Saldana" as credited.
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Quoting dee1959jay:
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T!M's point was that the most commonly credited name has changed now as a result of correcting IMDb-mined data. I can't imagine you being against removing IMDb data, Skip!

That the most commonly credited name now coïncides with the "real" name is secondary.

Of course not deejay. but i also don't accept an undocumented autograph as any sort of proof . In fact, I believe there is or used to be a comment in the Rules regarding autographs as any sort of proof. I never worried about it because i would never suggest the same as any sort of documentation.
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The only thing T!M was wrong about, was that at the time he thought it would only take about a year to clean this up...
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Tim:

The problem that i have with this when I see it, is all too frequently a change is made without any sort of comment from the user, meaning inadequate notes, so that when I get to checking an accepted update, I don't know what I am really looking at so i will more often than not, decline the update. Notes despite your belief are very important for user to user communication, the more detail the better, even if ken doesn't require it, we don't work for Ken but for each other. My notes when I contribute are constantly under evolution to try and make them as clear and complete as possible, not for me, but for YOU.
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