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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
We have only the contributors to blame!  The system was made by, and for, less than one hundred guys for whom contribution is a hobby. We have thousands of guys whose hobby is to watch movies, and from time to time, when they build or make a change to their profiles, the system asks them whether they want to contribute. Thousands of "normal" users will never behave as nit-picking specialists. If you want a system that works for everybody, it must not be designed to be used by specialists. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, your idea will NEVER make it usable or accessible by everybody, because you have no standards for data entry. That was true three years ago and it is still true today. What you would would be one big mess. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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We have only the contributors to blame!
The system was made by, and for, less than one hundred guys for whom contribution is a hobby. We have thousands of guys whose hobby is to watch movies, and from time to time, when they build or make a change to their profiles, the system asks them whether they want to contribute. Thousands of "normal" users will never behave as nit-picking specialists.
If you want a system that works for everybody, it must not be designed to be used by specialists. Nobody forces anyone to make contributions. If you can't do it properly, don't bother! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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Quoting hal9g:
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We have only the contributors to blame!
The system was made by, and for, less than one hundred guys for whom contribution is a hobby. We have thousands of guys whose hobby is to watch movies, and from time to time, when they build or make a change to their profiles, the system asks them whether they want to contribute. Thousands of "normal" users will never behave as nit-picking specialists.
If you want a system that works for everybody, it must not be designed to be used by specialists.
Nobody forces anyone to make contributions.
If you can't do it properly, don't bother!  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Nobody forces anyone to make contributions.
If you can't do it properly, don't bother! OK. You convinced me. We have a perfect system, and saying here that contributors are lazy will solve everything. Go ahead to a perfect database... | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
BULL, thast's is basically what we used to have. Been there, done that, don't want to go back.(...) I don't know, if I like surfeur51's proposal. But there is a big difference between his proposal and what we used to have. The big difference is the voting system. Unfortunately we have never had the possibility to try out the old guidelines with the new voting system. I guess that the most important feature of the current system is the voting and screening part. IMO this part is much more important than having absolutely strict rules without any wiggle room. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No standards for voting end result a garbage can database. Users can contribute anything they want and if they get the votes then it's all good...NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Certainly far superior to anything you have ever proposed Yves. It may not be perfect, nothing ever is, but yours is not even in the ball park. Back to the ping-pong tables, NO THANKS | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Nobody forces anyone to make contributions.
If you can't do it properly, don't bother! At least the basic information should be contributable by most members of the community. Otherwise smaller localities than the US would have problems finding enough contributors. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
9 profiles for Avatar currently sporting Zoe Saldana instead of Zoë Saldana. And not all from the smaller localities. One U.S. and one Canadian profile are using that name... How... annoying...  How is she credited in Avatar? Is it Zoe or Zoë? If it is Zoe, it is quite appropriate to enter her as such. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Umm Rho, they are also NOT required to submit Full profiles so if somebody only wants to contribute what they consider basic and they do it by the Rules, then it's cool. So, do you have any other excuses.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Zoë, Martian | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
The screening system and the voting system are completely unreliable when it comes to cast and crew.. Very, very few people are going to check cast and crew against actual credits when voting, and there is no way the screeners could possibly do this.
Not to mention that "new" profiles are not even voted on! That's why I'd like to see shared cast & crew amongst all profiles for a film (with the ability to override for local variations). That way everyone who owns the film can see the same data regardless of whether it's the same dvd or not. I'd also like to see a complete ban on cast & crew data in new submissions. Stuff like that should really go through the voting system. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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The screening system and the voting system are completely unreliable when it comes to cast and crew.. Very, very few people are going to check cast and crew against actual credits when voting, and there is no way the screeners could possibly do this.
Not to mention that "new" profiles are not even voted on!
That's why I'd like to see shared cast & crew amongst all profiles for a film (with the ability to override for local variations). That way everyone who owns the film can see the same data regardless of whether it's the same dvd or not.
I'd also like to see a complete ban on cast & crew data in new submissions. Stuff like that should really go through the voting system. The part in italics is an interesting concept, north, I am trying to picture it functioning in real life. The most famous example I can think of right off hand, is not a local variation but a version variation. In the Con Air original release the credit read Dave Chapelle and in the later SE version it read David Chapelle, or was it the other way around...but you get the idea. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
That's why I'd like to see shared cast & crew amongst all profiles for a film (with the ability to override for local variations). An old suggestion, but still a good idea. As these 'Avatar' profiles show, there's probably no chance we'll ever ban out IMDb-data (and, as a consequence, also keep propagating incorrect IMDb-common names) any other way. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Zoë, Martian Thanks. The case, at least the one I looked at, said 'ZOE' so I was wondering. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just double-checked, the actual credit read ZOË SALDANA | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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