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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 630 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Behemot: Quote:
Like I've said before, if each and every cast and crew name must be exhaustively researched for both parsing, nationality, different nations' spelling and capitalization rules, and the cast/crew member's own personal preference, then the already time-consuming process of contributing profiles will become near impossible. I guess I'll keep my corrected profiles local from now on, and instead concentrate on adding new profiles of DVDs I buy that are not in the database - I really don't feel like spending even more time than I already do on this, as I already spend a considerable amount of time on ensuring the data I contribute is correct. Why take it this serious? For new profiles give it your best shot and people will correct it if needed later. For updating assume what is there is correct unless you know (and can document) better. If someone votes no to your contribution either fix it or if you can't be bothered ignore it and/or withdraw. | | | Regards
Lars |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lmoelleb: Quote:
Quoting Behemot:
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Like I've said before, if each and every cast and crew name must be exhaustively researched for both parsing, nationality, different nations' spelling and capitalization rules, and the cast/crew member's own personal preference, then the already time-consuming process of contributing profiles will become near impossible. I guess I'll keep my corrected profiles local from now on, and instead concentrate on adding new profiles of DVDs I buy that are not in the database - I really don't feel like spending even more time than I already do on this, as I already spend a considerable amount of time on ensuring the data I contribute is correct.
Why take it this serious? For new profiles give it your best shot and people will correct it if needed later. For updating assume what is there is correct unless you know (and can document) better. If someone votes no to your contribution either fix it or if you can't be bothered ignore it and/or withdraw. I don't take it that seriously, that's why I'll be perfectly content with keeping it local.  I'm sure I'll keep contributing the odd profile correction, but I really can't see any reason to keep contributing as much as I have done in the past. I've tried my best to ensure the online database contains correct data, but I've reached a point where the end result really doesn't justify the time spent. Until the issues of parsing, of cast&crew that must be taken from a SPECIFIC DVD and not the actual MOVIE credits, of different spelling rules for different languages, of common names, of group dividers, etc., have been resolved conclusively and put into the rules, then there will be 10 different forum members who have 10 different solutions to these problems, and all of them feel they are correct. |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I have NO cultural identity,
We all have a cultural identity, but we are so used to it that it looks "neutral". Quote:
my culture is that which I SEE on the screen, I beg to differ: You see a capital C. Period. Whether that C translates to "c" or "ç" depends on the rules of the language of the name. If it were written in Cyrillic alphabet, "C" would even translate to an English "s", "P" to an English "r" and "H" to an "n"!  | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
create a databased that is the cyber equivalent of the Tower of Babel.
True, but the problem lies in languages having different alphabets and different rules. In French a capital C can be either a "c" or a "ç", that's a fact... not our fault! I only see two alternatives in the current system: 1. let's do everything the American way and invent a name "Francois Truffaut": clean and easy, but the rest of the world might not agree, French people in particular. Result: everybody will contribute a different "FRANCOIS" and the database will stay a mess. 2. let's go all the way up the Tower of Babel and call him by his proper name "François Truffaut". Not so hard if it's a well known director, but what about other people and other names you don't even know if they are French or Turkish or what? Result: everybody will contribute a different "FRANCOIS" and the database will stay a mess.  | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
let me try a different tack, here. Since you guys want to play cultural supremacy here. Why exactly do we need the Common Name system if you are STILL going to ignore the ON SCREEN data and insert data which is not there, it seems to be a total waste of time.
The screen says FRANCOIS
You type Francois
You CAN document Common Name great so now we can have
François(Francois) You go on and on about inserting data which is not there, yet you do exactly the same thing yourself. There is not a scintilla of difference between translating FRANCOIS as Francois or François. Unless you show exactly what is on the screen (FRANCOIS) you are inserting data which is not there. For you to insist that if I use a "ç" I am inserting data which is not there but if you use a "c" you are not inserting data which is not there displays a cultural bias whether you want to admit it or not. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | I say we enter it as FranCois then its the correct letter no matter how you look at it  but seriously, i hate to encourage this argument but technically, by changing the credits from all capital to 'standard capitalization' (country doesn't matter at all) we are no longer copying the credits exactly as they appear on screen anyway. I mean in ASCII A=65 and a=97 so A != a *edit* additionally, couldn't 'standard capitalization' rules differ from country to country? and there is nothing in the rules to address that. is it always American 'standard capialization' or is it the movies CoO, or maybe the dvd's locality? -Agrare | | | | Last edited: by Agrare |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
additionally, couldn't 'standard capitalization' rules differ from country to country? and there is nothing in the rules to address that. is it always American 'standard capialization' or is it the movies CoO, or maybe the dvd's locality?
-Agrare That's the big problem. I personally try and honour CoO (if it's a title) or nationality (if it's a crew/cast member) or locality if it's an Overview etc. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lmoelleb: Quote:
Quoting Behemot:
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Like I've said before, if each and every cast and crew name must be exhaustively researched for both parsing, nationality, different nations' spelling and capitalization rules, and the cast/crew member's own personal preference, then the already time-consuming process of contributing profiles will become near impossible. I guess I'll keep my corrected profiles local from now on, and instead concentrate on adding new profiles of DVDs I buy that are not in the database - I really don't feel like spending even more time than I already do on this, as I already spend a considerable amount of time on ensuring the data I contribute is correct.
Why take it this serious? For new profiles give it your best shot and people will correct it if needed later. For updating assume what is there is correct unless you know (and can document) better. If someone votes no to your contribution either fix it or if you can't be bothered ignore it and/or withdraw. Exactly! Actually you have less work to do. But if you want to dump your cast lists to many profiles from a magnitude of localities, you better have your name parsing and lower case conversion researched and documented. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
additionally, couldn't 'standard capitalization' rules differ from country to country? and there is nothing in the rules to address that. is it always American 'standard capialization' or is it the movies CoO, or maybe the dvd's locality? It's not always American, and it does not depend on the CoO, nor on the DVD's locality. It does only depend on the language of the text. If the name is a French name of a French guy French rules do apply. |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Exactly! Actually you have less work to do. But if you want to dump your cast lists to many profiles from a magnitude of localities, you better have your name parsing and lower case conversion researched and documented. Well put. That said, fellow users from other localities have eyes too, and they can PM the contributor, or even vote NO, if they feel the correct parsing and lower conversion have been changed to incorrect parsing and conversion. That said, the issues of parsing and lower case conversion are not specific to international Localities. A French movie is a French movie is a French movie.  | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
*edit*
additionally, couldn't 'standard capitalization' rules differ from country to country? and there is nothing in the rules to address that. is it always American 'standard capialization' or is it the movies CoO, or maybe the dvd's locality? It says Quote:
If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead. I am not aware of a "capitalization rule". But: In the Title rule there is a similar yet more precise passage: Quote:
For non-English titles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the title | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Exactly! Actually you have less work to do. But if you want to dump your cast lists to many profiles from a magnitude of localities, you better have your name parsing and lower case conversion researched and documented.
Well put.
That said, fellow users from other localities have eyes too, and they can PM the contributor, or even vote NO, if they feel the correct parsing and lower conversion have been changed to incorrect parsing and conversion.
That said, the issues of parsing and lower case conversion are not specific to international Localities.
A French movie is a French movie is a French movie. Well said! And if you are actually changing A to B in some profiles, because in your home profile it is B, and then later learn that A has been correct in the first place and you even change your home profile to A, then you should really be so fair to change all of your contributions to A, specially those where you have tried to change it to B. Maybe a bit difficult to understand but I hope everybody gets the message. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
But: In the Title rule there is a similar yet more precise passage:
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For non-English titles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the title That only refers to the Title, though. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | What about Cuban-born actor Mario Ernesto Sánchez (see Wikipedia) sometimes credited as MARIO ERNESTO SANCHEZ? | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is MY FINAL post period, I am finished. You people are not intelligent enouigh for me to asssit any further in any way. I have had it, someone wants to shut me up with the rutation System, I RIGHT nopw have something close 160 entries, yes that means that someone is voting on ANYTHINGH I say. I'll not go so far as to single users, though it is tempting trust me. I AM absolutely FINISHED, no forum post , no Contributions, no NOTHING, the idiocy of this place is astounding. My data wii now be exclusively MY DATA. There will be a DVDVProfiler that WLIL be the most accurate databaseof its kind in the world, but it will not be Online, that courtesy of a bunch of idiots is an impossible dream, it will be right here in MY COMPUTER. Good bye and GOOD RIDDANCE. I am sorry I wasted so much time trying help the single most ungrateful bunch of people it has ever been my displeasure to know. I guess you are correct Hal, I shouldn't include the ENTIRE Community, just a few. Should i include a list for You. Bye , now. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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