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List of Accepted Birth Years with Documentation. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | George Wallace (1952) The Ladykillers, Batman Forever http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace_(comedian) http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0908648/
George Wallace (1919) Governor of Alabama for four terms (1963-1967, 1971-1979 and 1983-1987), As Himself: Forrest Gump, 4 Little Girls, Peanuts to the Presidency http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0908650/ |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | . | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,738 |
| Posted: | | | | . | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Giga Wizard:
Quote: He is credited many times as Ken Campbell, both Ken Campbell are crosslinked, you can only undo this be year of birth, for as far I understand the crosslinking. Then I'm afraid you don't understand it correctly. Theoretically, the problem can be handled in two ways:
1. Use "Ken Campbell" as common name for both of them - then indeed we need the birth years to keep them separated.
2. Use "Ken Campbell" as common name for one of them, and "Ken Hudson Campbell" as common name for the other. No birth years would then be necessary: a "Ken Hudson Campbell [Ken Campbell]" credit would not link with a "Ken Campbell" credit.
So there ARE two options. It all depends on what the "most-credited form" for Ken(neth) (Hudson) Campbell is, and I thought we were still busy trying to establish that. If he, too, is mostly credited as "Ken Campbell", then we have no choice but to use option #1. But if a few more "Ken Hudson Campbell" credits can be found, option #2 would be the way to go. My understanding, from what I have seen Ken say, is that the preferred method is option #2. The BY is to be used only as a last resort. I could, of course, be remembering this wrong. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting Giga Wizard:
Quote: He is credited many times as Ken Campbell, both Ken Campbell are crosslinked, you can only undo this be year of birth, for as far I understand the crosslinking. Then I'm afraid you don't understand it correctly. Theoretically, the problem can be handled in two ways:
1. Use "Ken Campbell" as common name for both of them - then indeed we need the birth years to keep them separated.
2. Use "Ken Campbell" as common name for one of them, and "Ken Hudson Campbell" as common name for the other. No birth years would then be necessary: a "Ken Hudson Campbell [Ken Campbell]" credit would not link with a "Ken Campbell" credit.
So there ARE two options. It all depends on what the "most-credited form" for Ken(neth) (Hudson) Campbell is, and I thought we were still busy trying to establish that. If he, too, is mostly credited as "Ken Campbell", then we have no choice but to use option #1. But if a few more "Ken Hudson Campbell" credits can be found, option #2 would be the way to go.
My understanding, from what I have seen Ken say, is that the preferred method is option #2. The BY is to be used only as a last resort. I could, of course, be remembering this wrong. Option 2 can only be used if their "Common Names" are different according to the CLT. If both have common names, based on "Credited As" data, of 'Ken Campbell', then you cannot "create" a "Common Name" of 'Ken(neth) (Hudson) Campbell. You would still have to use BY's. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,738 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: My understanding, from what I have seen Ken say, is that the preferred method is option #2. The BY is to be used only as a last resort. I could, of course, be remembering this wrong.
Option 2 can only be used if their "Common Names" are different according to the CLT.
If both have common names, based on "Credited As" data, of 'Ken Campbell', then you cannot "create" a "Common Name" of 'Ken(neth) (Hudson) Campbell. You would still have to use BY's. I too remember when birth years were supposed to be a "last resort", but I believe that the "use the most-credited form" principle has trumped that. So if Ken(neth) (Hudson) Campbell turns out to be mostly credited as "Ken Campbell", that's what I believe we have to use. Please share your credits for this guy here, so we can determine what variant he's mostly credited as. |
| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,852 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: My understanding, from what I have seen Ken say, is that the preferred method is option #2. The BY is to be used only as a last resort. I could, of course, be remembering this wrong.
Option 2 can only be used if their "Common Names" are different according to the CLT.
If both have common names, based on "Credited As" data, of 'Ken Campbell', then you cannot "create" a "Common Name" of 'Ken(neth) (Hudson) Campbell. You would still have to use BY's. I too remember when birth years were supposed to be a "last resort", but I believe that the "use the most-credited form" principle has trumped that. So if Ken(neth) (Hudson) Campbell turns out to be mostly credited as "Ken Campbell", that's what I believe we have to use. Please share your credits for this guy here, so we can determine what variant he's mostly credited as. The problem with this is that the 'common name' is not set in stone, and what's most common today may not be next month. I've already ran into this problem, and had to adjust a couple of credits to use a new 'common name'. I don't understand what the phobia is about using documented BYs. I would also like to see the database establish 'common names' that don't change. --------------- |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: My understanding, from what I have seen Ken say, is that the preferred method is option #2. The BY is to be used only as a last resort. I could, of course, be remembering this wrong.
Option 2 can only be used if their "Common Names" are different according to the CLT.
If both have common names, based on "Credited As" data, of 'Ken Campbell', then you cannot "create" a "Common Name" of 'Ken(neth) (Hudson) Campbell. You would still have to use BY's. I too remember when birth years were supposed to be a "last resort", but I believe that the "use the most-credited form" principle has trumped that. So if Ken(neth) (Hudson) Campbell turns out to be mostly credited as "Ken Campbell", that's what I believe we have to use. Please share your credits for this guy here, so we can determine what variant he's mostly credited as. The problem with this is that the 'common name' is not set in stone, and what's most common today may not be next month. I've already ran into this problem, and had to adjust a couple of credits to use a new 'common name'.
I don't understand what the phobia is about using documented BYs.
I would also like to see the database establish 'common names' that don't change.
--------------- The problem exists that when there is only one BY available for two people with the same name, all instances of that name are attributed with the BY making segregation of the two people impossible. | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection | | | Last edited: by Bad Father |
| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,852 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote: The problem exists that when there is only one BY available for two people with the same name, all instances of that name are attributed with the BY making segregation of the two people impossible. What was the reason for generally disallowing BY? I don't think using them for everyone would make things any more difficult than they already are. --------------- |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Another Richard Wilson:
Richard Wilson (1915) http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0934013/ http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/participant.jsp?spid=207536&apid=130541 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: What was the reason for generally disallowing BY? I don't think using them for everyone would make things any more difficult than they already are. Birth year data is generally unreliable. The only reason for adding it into Profiler in the first place was to provide a means for differentiating between two persons with identical names. And this was done so that a user could link link all the titles which include that individual. It was used as a last resort means of uniquely identifying a person when that person's name (common name) wasn't unique. BY data is difficult to determine accurately, however, and if BY were allowed for everyone it would open the door to frequent ping-pong changes made by people who disagreed with the BY shown. Not to mention the fact BY often cannot be determined. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,242 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote: Quoting scotthm:
Quote: What was the reason for generally disallowing BY? I don't think using them for everyone would make things any more difficult than they already are. Birth year data is generally unreliable. The only reason for adding it into Profiler in the first place was to provide a means for differentiating between two persons with identical names. And this was done so that a user could link link all the titles which include that individual. It was used as a last resort means of uniquely identifying a person when that person's name (common name) wasn't unique. BY data is difficult to determine accurately, however, and if BY were allowed for everyone it would open the door to frequent ping-pong changes made by people who disagreed with the BY shown. Not to mention the fact BY often cannot be determined. I'll back that one Ken, Robin Williams being a case in point, websites can't decide if its 1952 or 1953. Steve |
| Registered: July 31, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,506 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
I'll back that one Ken, Robin Williams being a case in point, websites can't decide if its 1952 or 1953.
I've not seen 1953 but have seen 1951 & that seems to be the one I see most often. But agree that adding a BY for everyone would be next to impossible. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,600 |
| Posted: | | | | Adding BY (1953) for American actor Dennis Miller to distinguish from the Australian actor of the same name. See these sites: American http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0588222/, http://www.dennismillerradio.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Miller http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/individual/663032 Australian http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0588223/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Miller_(Australian_actor) http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/individual/66403 The only site that lists the BY for the Australian Dennis Miller is the IMDB, which says he's born in 1937. Since I couldn't find any other confirmation for this, I left his BY blank. Approved today 22nd Dec. | | | In the end; Winning is the only safety. Kerr Avon Blakes 7 Series 4, Ep. Blake. | | | Last edited: by Sidrat |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Adding new BY for writer Chris Ward (Sealab 2021, The Brak Show & Space Ghost Coast to Coast) to identify him from the Supervising Sound Editor from Bridge to Terabithia. Sources for BY: 1975 http://www.answers.com/topic/mc-chris http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1002355/ http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Mc-chris http://www.movietome.com/people/68201/chris-ward/index.html http://www.123exp-biographies.com/t/0003948120/ Can't find a BY for the Sound guy. BY approved December 22,2008 | | | Last edited: by CubbyUps |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 254 |
| Posted: | | | | Additional info for Mike White (1961) so that IMdB isn't the only source for BY:
http://www.seventymm.com/Actor/328713/Mike_White http://www.speedylook.com/Mike_White_(actor).html | | | "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it." - Jack Handey |
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