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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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You are allowed to your opinion... but it feels like you are not allowing other people to their opinion... an opinion I may add is backed by Ken.

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Sorry... but I definitely disagree with that! Maybe there is Some Stuff you can't vote on without the title in hand. But There is definitely some stuff that you can vote on easily enough. As I have in many cases...

- Scans with spine
- cast/crew from IMDB or like sites
- unneeded birthyears
- Adding wrong info to boxset profiles
- Episode plots in in parent profile overview of TV Series
- Removing simple episode list from TV Series

just to name a few off the top of my head



Hmmm, let me see. You don't own the movie, that's why you can't vote on them. I never vote on them, and I never will.


I am not saying you should or shouldn't vote on them. I just have a problem with you telling others we have to see it your way.

See what I put in bold...

But I can vote on them... everything I see in the above list I know for a fact is against the rules... and I know just by looking at the update that it is wrong per the rules. So I don't have to have the title in hand. And more so Ken Cole agrees. But yet YOU think you have the right to tell me I can't? Who are you to have that right?
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I wasn't talking directly to you, I used it as a broad term, as in all of us.

But if you are offended by the fact that I'm saying what I thinks should be done, then I will leave this forum again. Because I don't like to be attacked for saying what I think.
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If you didn't mean me directly that is fine... but it didn't come off clear as that way.

But the thing is... you are not writing it as an opinion... you are writing it as a fact. Saying "you can't" is completely different then saying that you "believe it shouldn't be." If you would have just said you believe it shouldn't be that way there wouldn't have been a problem with it. But the way you made it read... it was like telling people this is how it is... period. But only Ken can say that.

You believe people shouldn't... well that is all fine and good. And to a point I agree. I will vote neutral on more then I vote yes or no on. But it is something you can't stop. Especially since Ken supports us updating and voting on stuff regardless if we own them or not.
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I wasn't talking directly to you, I used it as a broad term, as in all of us.

But if you are offended by the fact that I'm saying what I thinks should be done, then I will leave this forum again. Because I don't like to be attacked for saying what I think.

I really think that you should not quit and go non saying what you think. I too was attacked many times for giving my opinion, but that is the only way to show Ken that there is not only one way to see things. After that, he does what he wants, but he knows that there are different points of view.
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Once again... and this is where I think the problem was (at least for me)... it was not written as an opinion. It was written as a fact. Like this is how it is... no if's no and's.. and no but's.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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It's better if we can get all of the ordered and wishlist out of the voting screen. I have said it before and I will say it again, you can't vote (or contribute) on profiles you don't own.

Even better, a way to really check if you own the dvd you contribute changes for. Just removing the wishlist and ordering isn't enough since the "I want big number and mess with everything" crowd will just place them temporarily in their own list. Easy to do if the disc id must be checked in the computer dvd-drive by DVDP before a contribution.

I know it concerns more the contributions than the voting process, but this cause a lot more dammage than everything else done in the database. Even if we aren't supposed to change thing we can't check without the disc at least one user does this continuously and whine about this when we vote no on one of his number ego boosting contribution.
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Easy to do if the disc id must be checked in the computer dvd-drive by DVDP before a contribution.


While i see the reasoning behind your request i couldn't disagree more. I don't have a BR player in my PC but i buy mostly BR now. When buying something new i check the cover etc. The extras and audio and subs i verify on my PS3 and if i own the dvd as well (or it's a BR/DVD copy) i also check and submit the crew and cast, telling people clearly it came from a DVD copy. If you'd need to have a disc-ID before contributing i wouldn't be able to do this anymore which in my opion wouldn't be beneficial at all.

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Not to mention that makes pre-order addition and updates completely impossible.
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Easy to do if the disc id must be checked in the computer dvd-drive by DVDP before a contribution.

Yeah, let's do that, and bring contributions to a standstill.    Here's a wild idea: let's just drop the nonsense and instead simply vote "yes" to good data, and "no" to bad data. How's that?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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I don't know why but I ain't surprise that you are against this T!M

Contributing on what you don't own is always bad data for what you can't check on the disc. The same way it is wrong to vote on dvd not owned.
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I wasn't talking directly to you, I used it as a broad term, as in all of us.

But if you are offended by the fact that I'm saying what I thinks should be done, then I will leave this forum again. Because I don't like to be attacked for saying what I think.

I think we should all cut Pompel9 some slack here. You may or may not have noticed that they originate from Norway and therefore english is not their first language.
Yes the word "can't" (fact) was used, but I honestly believe they intended to say "shouldn't" (opinion) and that's how I read the post. In that light I can also see how Pompel9 considered the replies to be a bit harsh.
Pompel9, please continue posting your opinions, I hate to see any user leave.
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Contributing on what you don't own is always bad data

Per Ken, it's not.

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The same way it is wrong to vote on dvd not owned.

Per Ken, it's not.

'Nuff said.
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Easy to do if the disc id must be checked in the computer dvd-drive by DVDP before a contribution.

Yeah, let's do that, and bring contributions to a standstill.    Here's a wild idea: let's just drop the nonsense and instead simply vote "yes" to good data, and "no" to bad data. How's that?


How would not allowing those that don't own a DVD bring contributions to a standstill?

Like I said, there are good examples on why it should be allowed (addicted put up a few after I posted), but I think for the database as a whole it's better for people to own the DVD.

Even with that, though, I don't see how contributions would stop. 
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The reason I object to the use of the disc ID is as Paulb_99 says - very few have a blu-ray drive in their PC, therefore certainly contributions for those at least could crawl to a halt.
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How would not allowing those that don't own a DVD bring contributions to a standstill?

Because it makes the whole process far to (needlessly) difficult. Let's say there's a common name-finding thread with a solid outcome, and I need to update that person's name in sixteen of my previously-audited profiles. Are you really suggesting that I put those sixteen discs in my DVD-ROM drive one by one just to be able to propagate a common name shift through my profiles? Or the addition of a birth year to all profiles with that particular actor in it? I'm sorry, but that's just not gonna happen.

But I still don't understand the fuss, so I'll repeat my earlier suggestion: let's just drop the nonsense and instead simply vote "yes" to good data, and "no" to bad data. How's that? Maybe it's just me, but I see winners all around...
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In other words... it is not necessarily the fact that you have to own the disc. But the suggestion you have to put the disc into the disc drive that would cause the decline. Lets see...

- Pre-Orders would be impossible to create and update
- Not everyone has a (working) DVD Rom in their computer
- just the sheer tediousness of having to get the DVD and put it in the Rom would deter
Pete
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