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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Rules say:
For branching titles, or those with multiple versions (e.g. Theatrical and Director's Cut) on the same disc, use the longest running time.
So does this mean that if you have two versions (e.g. Theatrical and Director's Cut) of a film on the same disc you use the longest running time but if they come on two separate discs you use the one on Disc 1?
This seems a bit inconsistent to me, that's all and I wondered whether 'on the same disc' actually was intended to mean/shorthand for 'in the same purchase', in tha same way someone might say "Did you buy the re-released Star Wars disc/DVD yet?" (ie singular) rather than "... Star Wars discs/DVDs" even if it was a 2-disc set. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong | | | | Last edited: by Voltaire53 |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm guessing that for 2 disc releases, one film would be classed as the "main feature" and the other cut on the other disc would be classed as a "bonus feature". So only the "main feature" would be used to work out the running time.
Another option would be that a lot of people like setting up those kinds of releases as boxsets, in which case each disc would have it's own running time.
To answer your question, I think when they say "disc" they mean "disc" not "release". |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wouldn't a multi-disc multi-version set be a boxed set almost by definition? I'm thinking of the Blade Runner 5-disc set. Multiple versions on multiple discs. Each disc would get a profile (in my case Blu-ray Disc IDs are comprehended  ) with it's own running time and the box would get the sum of those. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Wouldn't a multi-disc multi-version set be a boxed set almost by definition? I'm thinking of the Blade Runner 5-disc set. Multiple versions on multiple discs.
Each disc would get a profile (in my case Blu-ray Disc IDs are comprehended ) with it's own running time and the box would get the sum of those. Though some users (like yourself) treat them as a box set as you describe the Rules state that it is only a box set if it contains more than one film, not two versions of the same film, so Blade Runner (and, the profile I'm looking at now, I Am Legend) would not qualify IMO. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
Though some users (like yourself) treat them as a box set as you describe the Rules state that it is only a box set if it contains more than one film, not two versions of the same film, so Blade Runner (and, the profile I'm looking at now, I Am Legend) would not qualify IMO. Hmmm. I can see your point but it wouldn't have occurred to me to think of it as other than a box set. The current Blade Runner BD 5 pack profile looks like a single disc profile. I assumed this would change (to a box set container) when BD disc ID version of DVDp is released and each film version would get a child profile. I'd be interested in other views on this. (And to answer your original question i think the spirit of the rule would be fulfilled by selecting the longest version for the running time - i wouldn't vote against it) | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,481 |
| | Posted: | | | | I split my - Apocalypse Now - The Complete Dossier (Two-Disc Special Collector's Edition) (The Complete Dossier) into a box set with the 202min (01) version as parent and the 154 min ('79) as the child. Kept it locale and locked it off.
Disc 1 held part one of both films,, and disc two held part two.. thru Branching . | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Wouldn't a multi-disc multi-version set be a boxed set almost by definition? I'm thinking of the Blade Runner 5-disc set. Multiple versions on multiple discs.
Each disc would get a profile (in my case Blu-ray Disc IDs are comprehended ) with it's own running time and the box would get the sum of those. this is exactly what I have done in my personal database. I want details of all the separate films (run times / video format / sound format etc) | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Quoting Voltaire53:
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Though some users (like yourself) treat them as a box set as you describe the Rules state that it is only a box set if it contains more than one film, not two versions of the same film, so Blade Runner (and, the profile I'm looking at now, I Am Legend) would not qualify IMO.
Hmmm. I can see your point but it wouldn't have occurred to me to think of it as other than a box set.
The current Blade Runner BD 5 pack profile looks like a single disc profile. I assumed this would change (to a box set container) when BD disc ID version of DVDp is released and each film version would get a child profile.
I'd be interested in other views on this.
(And to answer your original question i think the spirit of the rule would be fulfilled by selecting the longest version for the running time - i wouldn't vote against it) The original boxset was profiled as a single film plus some extras. Which I think is silly - but thats just my opinion - and at least my version has all the proper details for each dvd.  | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 68 |
| | Posted: | | | | The dvd release that Voltaire53 was talking about is "I am legend" UPC=7321902294483.4
I contributed a update to this which included changing the runtime to 96 minutes (which is the length of the film on disc 1).
I then discovered that i should've been the longest runtime (99 minutes, disc 2 -which is the same film but with a different ending) and so contributed again without changing the runtime.
I'm leaving my current contribution (without the runtime change) as it stands at the moment but if we agree that it should be the length of the disc 1 film then i might change it (again!)
What do you think it should be? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,594 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bdixon: Quote:
The dvd release that Voltaire53 was talking about is "I am legend" UPC=7321902294483.4
I contributed a update to this which included changing the runtime to 96 minutes (which is the length of the film on disc 1).
I then discovered that i should've been the longest runtime (99 minutes, disc 2 -which is the same film but with a different ending) and so contributed again without changing the runtime.
I'm leaving my current contribution (without the runtime change) as it stands at the moment but if we agree that it should be the length of the disc 1 film then i might change it (again!)
What do you think it should be? It is not a box set. The second disc is a "bonus feature" and should be listed in the "Other Features" field. The run time for the profile needs to be that of the first Disc (Main Feature). | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
The second disc is a "bonus feature" and should be listed in the "Other Features" field. The run time for the profile needs to be that of the first Disc (Main Feature). If a longer version of the main feature is on a separate disc, it is still the main feature and the rules state to use the longer time. By your logic, even if it's on the same disc, you wouldn't use the longer running time because it's a "bonus feature." The logic on these forums never fails to blow me away. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Max...sort of. I believe that is the way it should be. Unfortunately, for some odd reason, the rules tell us to do something different. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,594 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
Quoting 8ballMax:
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The second disc is a "bonus feature" and should be listed in the "Other Features" field. The run time for the profile needs to be that of the first Disc (Main Feature). Quote:
If a longer version of the main feature is on a separate disc, it is still the main feature and the rules state to use the longer time. No...the "Main Feature" is on Disc 1. Quote:
By your logic, even if it's on the same disc, you wouldn't use the longer running time because it's a "bonus feature." It's not on the same disc now...is it? There is a rule in this case that states: For branching titles, or those with multiple versions (e.g. Theatrical and Director's Cut) on the same disc, use the longest running time. Exception: If the longer version is available only as part of an Easter Egg, use the shorter running time. Quote:
The logic on these forums never fails to blow me away. That's the way I read it. If I'm mistaken, then the rules need clarification. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You aren't mistaken, 8Ball and the ability to pretzelize always astounds me.
Clarifying the Rules has little to do with this issue, it's just another example of Hollywood throwing another curve ball since the Rules were initially developed. As recently, as three years ago, Two-disc serts with two versions were a realative rarity. Maybe Hollywood is still plagued by the DVD-18 issues that affected the release of T2 lo these many years ago...who knows.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Strike my first statement, I misread the thread. Max is correct, the rule does say, "on the same disc." What can I say, I was due.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | It happens.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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